Lestat wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 9:11pm:


You will never know....


Shouldn't you be memorising the Koran?

Actually I find the crazy evangelical takeover of the USA, far more concerning, as they are the western equivalent of the crazy Islamists.

More than half of americans surveyed believe that the US is a christian country, whose christianity was enshrined in it's constitution.

As with most things, they are absolutely incorrect.

The separation of church and state has served the US well, but the creeping christians are doing all they can to destroy that separation, and that is just as bad as theocratic muslims who deny there should ever be separation of powers.

So while I agree that Islam is playing a sneaky game, the vastly greater numbers of wackjob evangelicals, is of far greater concern for the US.

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 9:35pm:


I am very familiar with the poet you are quoting, but thanks for asking.

Another insulting post from Sprint. It appears that this is all he is capable of.

I hope you are paying attention Freediver.....

that's funny.

I dont have a priest !!
let alone him being a poet, or youo knowing his poems .


it was factual, if you are insulted by the facts - look deep within

Lestat wrote on Oct 15^th, 2008 at 9:01am:


If this is insulting to you, why do you think it's acceptable to reply with this? -

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Is it not ok to offend muslims, but perfectly ok to offend non-muslims?

Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.

mozzaok wrote on Oct 15^th, 2008 at 9:45am:


Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition, which is available online, reads as follows:

“It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph’s marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children … A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph …” [13] (Bolding is mine.)

Although these apocryphal accounts are not now accepted by many Christians, and the Catholic Encyclopedia says that they “are void of authority”, yet it also speaks of their influence as follows:

“they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of the Lord’s brothers; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.”

However, these accounts are accepted by the Eastern churches. The website of the Ukrainian Orthodoxy has an article on this subject entitled An Elderly Joseph which agrees with the presentation in the apocryphal writings “of Joseph as an elderly man, a widower with adult children”. It concludes:

“The Christian East’s picture of Joseph as a courageous, faithful, God-centred elderly widower rings true.”

While the Western Christian churches may not accept these accounts as authentic, the Eastern churches in Europe do accept that Mary was 12 years old and Joseph a widower 90 years old when they married. Moreover, there is nothing in the Gospels of the New Testament to contradict these accounts, and the Gospel stories are not at all inconsistent with these ages for Mary and Joseph.

The Infancy Gospel of James, Chapter 8 verse 2 to Chapter 9 verse 11

“When she [Mary] turned twelve, a group of priests took counsel together, saying, ‘Look, Mary has been in the temple of the Lord twelve years. What should we do about her now, so that she does not defile the sanctuary of the Lord our God?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You have stood at the altar of the Lord. Go in and pray about her. And if the Lord God reveals anything to you, we will do it.’  And the priest went in taking the vestment with twelve bells into the holy of holies and prayed about her. Suddenly, an angel of the Lord stood before him, saying, ‘Zachariah, Zachariah, depart from here and gather the widowers of the people and let each one carry a staff. And the one whom the Lord God points out with a sign, she will be his wife.’ So the heralds went out to the whole surrounding area of Judea and the trumpet of the Lord rang out and all the men rushed in.

Throwing down his axe, Joseph went out to meet them. And after they had gathered together with their rods, they went to the high priest. After receiving everyone’s rod, the high priest went into the temple and prayed. When he was finished with the prayer, he took the rods and went out and gave them to each man, but there was no sign among them. Finally, Joseph took his rod. Suddenly, a dove came out of the rod and stood on Joseph’s head. And the high priest said, ‘Joseph! Joseph! You have been chosen by lot to take the virgin into your own keeping.’  And Joseph replied, saying, ‘I have sons and am old, while she is young. I will not be ridiculed among the children of Israel.’  And the high priest said, ‘Joseph, fear the Lord your God and remember what God did to Dathan and Abiron and Kore, how the earth split open and swallowed them because of their rebellion. Now fear God, Joseph, so that these things do not happen in your house.’  Fearing God, Joseph took her into his own possession.”

Now I agree that 'Christian documents' hardly constitutes proof, however, this is from their own texts, besides, it is generally accepted by all historians that the marriagable age in these days was far lower then it is today.

There are many other well documented marriages by famous western figures to young girls which would be considered unnacceptable by todays standards. For example...Charlagmagne married 2 Germanic princess's aged 11 years old.

However, this has already been extensively discussed Mozz...yet it doesn't stop the same Islamphobe's making the same insulting clearly incorrect remarks, time and time again.

Out of curiosity..if lets say in a thousand years, the average age of woman reaching puberty raises (as it has over time) to lets say 25 years (for argument sake), would this result in anyone marrying a 20 year old in these modern times, to be viewed as a peadophile?

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Oh, ok. Is that the muslim way? Seems a little....immature....but so is Islam.