A good person is spiritual.

I am a good person. I raise my boys to be good boys. My parents were good people, my sister is a good person and none of us are spiritual. I think it's one of the greatest misconceptions that only religious people are moral and good. It is entirely false, and religious arrogance is annoying yet typical. I have read many posts by abu that say that atheists/agnostics are immoral. That is untrue. It is particularly ironic coming from such a vile religious cult such as Islam whose morals are questionable at best and repulsive at worst.

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I suppose I'm agnostic. I like a good wine, a good beer and a good scotch..followed closely by a good whine.

But I agree that just by being a good person, it makes you spritual.

jordan484 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 11:00pm:


Obsession......

queer wrote on Oct 12^th, 2008 at 12:07pm:




queer,
What about those ppl who recall NDE's  [near death experiences] and OBE's [out of body experiences]?





I've got two seperate DVD's [christian religious] docu's, with 'reconstructed' accounts of many NDE's.

In one, a woman has a cardiac arrest, and dies in an ER, is declared dead.
Then shorlty later she spontaneously, 'awakens' [back to life]!

She recounts to hospital staff, how she floated out of her body while 'dead'.
Doctors and staff are not convinced, were skeptical.

The woman insisted it was real, and said that while out of her body she saw what she described as a single red shoe, on the hospital roof.
A hospital porter was sent up to the roof,
.......and came back with the red shoe.

Is these experiences ppl have, just a 'mind-bend'?

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Just to be clear, I'm not on any medication, and i do not take recreational drugs.

And i also experience 'waking' OBE's occasionally.
.....a very, very exhilarating experience!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience


From personal experience, i do believe in this 'stuff' [spirits].

Personally, i believe that we [all mankind] are spirits, and that we are locked in this earthen body, while we 'go to school' here [until we die].

mantra wrote on Oct 12^th, 2008 at 3:38pm:


My own feelings are that the major religions have a lot of commonality in terms of what are acceptable moral outcomes. Basically the majority of us feel compassion for other human beings, and for those who don't, it's  a case of "You reap what you sow" or "What goes around comes around" - It's also captured by the Buddhist idea of 'Karma'. A number of religions take that concept beyond death.

There are overiding principles such as caring about other people and the world around you, coupled with wisdom and a goal to improve one's self and to pull together to improve society in general. These are what count.

The different religions may do things slightly differently, but hey. Coles do things one way and Woolworths do things another way, but in the end, they both sell groceries.

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You are also right about other factors playing a big part in how a person behaves.  But somewhere along the track, whether it comes from relatives or early teachings at school - if a person has taken the wrong path at some time in their life - previous exposure to religious indoctrination can stabilise them - whether they are conscious of this indoctrination or not.