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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40674 Gender:	Obsessive Control Freaks or moderators ?? Oct 13^th, 2008 at 10:31am Posters banned due to wrong avatar, posts often deleted, people threatened with banning, posters lied to, completely biased viewpoints, threads locked. Control freak or moderator ?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40674 Gender:	Re: Obsessive Control Freaks or moderators ?? Reply #1 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 10:32am .
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Reply #2 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 10:51am

Yes, abu and malik are both control freaks and have no tolerance for anything outside of Islam. However, this is to be expected and I guess the rest of us who want proper discussions on topics should start threads outside the Islam forum, or continue discussions from the Islam forum, outside on the main board. Perhaps then the Islam forum will wither and die.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40674 Gender:	Re: Obsessive Control Freaks or moderators ?? Reply #3 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 10:55am Yes, I have about given up posting in there. Pointless if I am to be so censored. They have demolished a wondeful opportunity F/D gave them.
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Reply #4 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 11:06am

Of course they have. It's unfortunate, yet expected. And then when "the west" doesn't give them opportunities to explain their religion, they bitch about it. When given the opportunity to educate others, they ruin it due to their intolerance of everything non-muslim and their unwillingness to be open to questioning and scrutiny. That is the Islamic way and we shouldn't be wasting our time trying to appease these people.

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Obsessive Control Freaks or moderators ?? Reply #5 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 11:54am dude you have gone over this time and time again and have been told that those things that stray from forum rules will result in a ban get off the cross
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Obsessive Control Freaks or moderators ?? Reply #6 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 11:56am Dude? Ok. This is a forum and I am entitled to comment in a thread.
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Reply #7 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 12:12pm

yeah- dude.

yes you are entitled to comment in a thread.

I should perhaps be more constructive iny comments, so let me start again.

I feel that threads and comments such as these, these constant back and forths, the constant bickering, about who threatened who, who banned who, who modded what etc etc - by all parties- does nothing by create a combative and anti-constructive atmosphere.

instead of focusing on perhaps learning from one another and coming at least to a place of common respect (if not agreeance), people are just constantly having a go at one another for things in the past.

I understand I am new here and things must have gotten pretty heated and it is not easy to forget such things. But in the interest of moving forward and being constructive- surely it would be best not to continually dredge these things up?

Or at least- correspond with the mods in private if you really believe something is unfair. It seems like people's interest is towards scoring points against the other person instead of really hearing them and understanding their perspective, even if you don't agree with it.

I don't think that anyone will be able to come to any kind of reconciliation if our priorities are merely to denigrate each other and to try and score points against the other person.

It seems as if people only read other posts in order to make an argument against them, as opposed to actually reading them and taking in their content.

This can be seen in people picking up on the tiniest things, even typos, in order to try and shoot the other person down. Individual expressions, wording etc are all used to try and make a point- rather than engaging with the overall argument of the post.

In the theme of peaceful co-existence, this cannot happen if either party does not WANT to peacefully co-exist, but to beat the other person down.

I think maybe a change in attitude for all on this forum would be helpful in wiping the slate clean and starting again. Maybe this isn't possible, but threads such as this certainly make it much less possible. It is like constantly re-opening old wounds.

I am not exempt from my own comments as I know I give into my emotions and say hurtful things also- and for that I apologise (must be my female hormones Wink

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anyway- I hope that explains my opinion better than what I was saying before.

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Reply #8 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 2:00pm

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yes you are entitled to comment in a thread.

thank you
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I should perhaps be more constructive iny comments, so let me start again.

ok

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I feel that threads and comments such as these, these constant back and forths, the constant bickering, about who threatened who, who banned who, who modded what etc etc - by all parties- does nothing by create a combative and anti-constructive atmosphere.

you're probably right

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instead of focusing on perhaps learning from one another and coming at least to a place of common respect (if not agreeance), people are just constantly having a go at one another for things in the past.

I think because we hit the same road block every time

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I understand I am new here and things must have gotten pretty heated and it is not easy to forget such things. But in the interest of moving forward and being constructive- surely it would be best not to continually dredge these things up?

possibly

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Or at least- correspond with the mods in private if you really believe something is unfair. It seems like people's interest is towards scoring points against the other person instead of really hearing them and understanding their perspective, even if you don't agree with it.

I don't think it would do any good corresponding with the mods in private, it would still be the same story. I think the point scoring is exactly what's happening, and I wish I could be a little more empathetic towards abu's cause, but his first post in response to mine set the tone.

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It seems as if people only read other posts in order to make an argument against them, as opposed to actually reading them and taking in their content.

this is true sometimes, but not always.

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This can be seen in people picking up on the tiniest things, even typos, in order to try and shoot the other person down. Individual expressions, wording etc are all used to try and make a point- rather than engaging with the overall argument of the post.

Yes, when the argument becomes circular and pointless for the billionth time, it does seem to end up going like that.

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In the theme of peaceful co-existence, this cannot happen if either party does not WANT to peacefully co-exist, but to beat the other person down.

I think it's quite apparent who doesn't want to peacefully co-exist. Co-existing peacefully would mean exhibiting some form of compromise. This is not possible.

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I think maybe a change in attitude for all on this forum would be helpful in wiping the slate clean and starting again. Maybe this isn't possible, but threads such as this certainly make it much less possible. It is like constantly re-opening old wounds.

Like constantly deflecting to other religions and the Islamic glory days?

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I am not exempt from my own comments as I know I give into my emotions and say hurtful things also- and for that I apologise (must be my female hormones Wink)

No need to apologise

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anyway- I hope that explains my opinion better than what I was saying before.

thanks very much.

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Reply #9 - Oct 13^th, 2008 at 2:41pm

jordan484 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 2:00pm:

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instead of focusing on perhaps learning from one another and coming at least to a place of common respect (if not agreeance), people are just constantly having a go at one another for things in the past.

I think because we hit the same road block every time

yeah I can see how that would be really tricky. maybe when it gets to that point where there's no more to be gained, we should all just say- ok this is fruitless and frustrates everyone. I'm either going to change how I'm approaching it or leave it alone.

It's so hard when two people are just clashing and cannot seem to understand where the other is coming from- and that;s even when people love each other- like in marriage. So on the internet where you really have no personal ties or affection- it's even more difficult to overcome the instinct to tell the person to get stuffed and to try to work something out.

But I think if we can manage to do it, we're ultimately benefitting ourselves as well as others

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I don't think it would do any good corresponding with the mods in private, it would still be the same story. I think the point scoring is exactly what's happening, and I wish I could be a little more empathetic towards abu's cause, but his first post in response to mine set the tone.

you might be right re private correspondence, but again- maybe a change in tactic or in how the disagreement is put forward would help??

I don't know enough about all of it to say who started what- but ultimately, this is the point it's at now- where both parties have committed offense against the other, so maybe both parties should apologise, or if they can't- just let it go in order to move on. playing the blame game can only get so far.

and also- I think in light of how combative it can get- it can be really hard for people to back down even if they wanted to. cause they are so busy fending off blows, all time is spent being defensive and not a lot is spent reflecting on ones own behaviour (particularly from the other person's side). it's hard when you feel attacked not to immediately put your armour up.

especially when people phrase questions as criticisms or attacks. I think sometimes people ask questions with a pre-formed idea of what they think the answer is. and when they get a different answer they just spend time trying to get the answer they want.

this is not meeting someone on their own terms- it's making a decision before you even approach the other person and then using everthing that happens (or doesn't happen) to support it.

and again- I am not limited my observations to one person or POV here. these are very general remarks. I do the same thing at times, and have to remind myself that if I am asking a question I should do it geniunely so as to understand the other person and their perspective, even if ultimately I disagree with the content of their answer- I can at least see that this is what they believe.
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this is true sometimes, but not always.

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Yes, when the argument becomes circular and pointless for the billionth time, it does seem to end up going like that.

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I think it's quite apparent who doesn't want to peacefully co-exist. Co-existing peacefully would mean exhibiting some form of compromise. This is not possible.

but you see for me, coming in from outside- it would appear that neither party is more guilty of this than the other. the most vocal expressions of unwillingness to get along seems to come from some non-muslim members of the forum- maybe because there are more non-muslim members so it seems disproportionate- I'm not sure.

and this unwillingness can be expressed by accussing others of the same unwillingness- ultimately it puts up a wall between you and the other person. each person saying to the other that they believe they don't want to co-exist with them. and it may be that this is true on neither side - but each is so busy accusing the other, they never bother to actually ask, or better yet, just to try it

But again- even if you feel others are not willing to co-exist peacefully, do you not wish to behave to reflect that you do? if this is what you truly want, then the only way to get that is to lead by example.

I know if is frustrating when you feel others are not responding- but giving into baser instincts won't help this happen. At least if you act in accordance with your beliefs (that we should all get along) then at the end of the day you can be happy with your own actions.

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Like constantly deflecting to other religions and the Islamic glory days?

joooooooordaaaaaaaaaaan- tut tut! not helpful! Tongue

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I am not exempt from my own comments as I know I give into my emotions and say hurtful things also- and for that I apologise (must be my female hormones Wink)

No need to apologise

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anyway- I hope that explains my opinion better than what I was saying before.

thanks very much.

thanks for taking the time to respond to me so sincerely jordan it's much appreciated

if I sound condescending at all it's not intentional- sometimes it's just hard to express these things in words and I end up sounding like a massive mum

guh- I can't figure out the quote function so I have just put my comments in italics

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Jasin Moderator Offline Posts: 47305 Gender:	Re: Obsessive Control Freaks or moderators ?? Reply #11 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 1:35am Aww. I just had to ban It_is_the_Light for acting like a B_light. Why do I only get the bad ones to ban? Why can't I get any goodies to ban? Gordo, Sophia?? Smith, Monk and now B_light. Woe woe woe - what am I good for?
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Reply #12 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 5:21am

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 1:35am:

Aww. I just had to ban It_is_the_Light for acting like a B_light.

Why do I only get the bad ones to ban?
Why can't I get any goodies to ban?
Gordo, Sophia??

Smith, Monk and now B_light.

Woe woe woe - what am I good for? Undecided

And you reckon you're not a troll?

Jasin wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:46pm:

Proud to be a Freemason Jew Illuminati.
What are you going to do about it? Grin

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Reply #13 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 7:03am

Yes you're getting a bad reputation Jasin, rubbishing whities. We are very much aware of the problems we're faced with, but you're not helping by making things worse for us. And here you are, a moderator elected by whities, on a whities discussion internet site where's there's ample leeway for freedom of speech, try not to abuse it. Denigrating whities at a time when darkies are murdering in the community is a low act, and unbecoming of a moderator. Moderators are generally regarded as having to be impartial while they are in that job, even when posting opinions

Pick up your game Jasin

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Reply #14 - Feb 8^th, 2024 at 2:34pm

Nope. I'll use both sides of my brain thanks Bias. Both Black and White (= Colour Wise Mind). Not my fault I'm mentally more ambidextrous than most here.
Plus, being of many 'mixed-bloods' through my ancestry. I consider myself the colour 'Purple' and so you Whities and Blackies need to understand that it isn't all about YOU TWO.

Now, back to the reason behind my Moderation of this Board.
Stick to the Theme of this Board, even if it's a minimal connection and all is good.
Use it to make Topics as personal vendetta's against other Members with no relation to Extremism Exposed and Mod JaSin will feel 'da powa!'.

Also, I'm am banned from other Boards. Yet, I still allow the Mods of those Boards to post here. I ain't no Dictator, I ain't no sooky. So I think I'm being very fair in giving everyone the flexibility to take a metre, but I won't let anyone take a mile.

There are Blonde haired, white-skinned White People and they are the 'real' Whites.
...but it seems that the Blue Brunettes with their light-skins and the Grey Raven-hair with their pale faces and skins - think they are 'White' and speak on behalf of the 'real Whites'. Well, seems the Media can't cope with a Red Red-haired and fair-skinned President. Will they cope with a 'Real' White Man in the job?

So the Whites you are referring to - are just fake whites and probably deserve everything they get.

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Control freak 6 (85.7%) Moderator 1 (14.3%) Total votes: 7 « Created by: Sprintcyclist on: Oct 13^th, 2008 at 10:32am »