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Reply #15 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:47am

"God further said, "behold I have given you every seed-bearing plant over all the earth, and every fruit tree, the fruit of which grows seed:it will be your food. And to all the animals on the earth, to all the birds of the air and to every living creature that creeps on the earth I have given the green vegetation for food:" and it was so. God saw that everything He had made was excellent, indeed. There was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."
Genesis 29-31

What a load of rot. Grin

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Reply #16 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:58am

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...Jesus is NOT a Jewish messiah [even though ??? the Koran itself refers to the Jesus as 'Christ Jesus', AND as 'Messiah, Jesus']

Obviously if it's mentioned in the Qur'an, then we do believe this. Your argument has it's own self-contained refutation.

I believe Jesus (pbuh) was the messiah promised to the Jews, and so does every other Muslim I've ever come across.

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Reply #17 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 12:47pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:58am:

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...Jesus is NOT a Jewish messiah [even though ??? the Koran itself refers to the Jesus as 'Christ Jesus', AND as 'Messiah, Jesus']

More Bible verses which muslims reject...

John 1:32
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

John 9:35
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

John 10:31
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

abu, we are all God's children [by adoption], if we choose to be.

I know and can see that many muslims reject God's message,
.....'because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.'

Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

But to me, this is merely re-stating, reconfirming, the wisdom of my God.

And here is the 'punchline' from a parable of Jesus...

Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Psalms 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Psalms 40:4
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Biblical quotes Muslims ( and others) dislike Reply #18 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 8:56pm In other words "Yeh you're right, I made a false accusation against Islam in my last post, but let me cut-paste 20 other things to brush it off". Do you have no shame?
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Reply #19 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 12:45pm

Abu - yes, that's my understanding.
That muslims believe in Jesus and the other prophets of the OT.

Just that the Bible is severely and significantly corrupted and changed by men during the ages.
So given that, it would be MOST likely that there would be bible quotes muslims disagree with ?
And some that are ok ?

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Reply #20 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 1:32pm

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Just that the Bible is severely and significantly corrupted and changed by men during the ages.
So given that, it would be MOST likely that there would be bible quotes muslims disagree with ?

As for the trinity, There's nothing in the Bible at all about a trinity, it is an extra-Biblical doctrine, that's why or about the first 300 years or so of Christian history, there was montheists and trinitarians, and they fought one another, until the trinitarians finally succeeded in wiping the monotheists out, and that's why today all Christians (with a few small exceptions) are trinitarians.

As for being 'son of God', in the Middle East, especially in Semitic languages, 'son of' is used as a sort of nickname for all sorts of things, and I think that's probably where this epithet comes from, not the concept that God actually begat progeny. But over time, and with the hellenisation and later latinisation of Christianity the original Semitic meaning was lost, and dogma started to assert that God actually begat progeny.

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And some that are ok ?

The vast majority of passages of the Bible are completely in line with Islamic teaching, doesn't mean they have any kind of authoritative position though, as we simply don't know their origin. Even Christian scholars don't really know who wrote any part of the Bible whatsoever. It's all speculative.

For a text to have authority in Islam, we need to know it's origin. We need to know the trustworthiness of the person who related it, and we need to know quite a bit about that person, such as his family background and so forth. All of the narrators of Islamic texts were well known and documented people, whose family lineages were traced back generations. There's no anonymous authorship in Islamic texts.

A classic example of this, is Imam Bukhari (May God be pleased with him) who travelled all over the Middle East collecting hadiths (sayings of Muhammad (pbuh)) from various sources. One day, he'd travelled all the way to Yemen (Imam Bukhari is originally from Uzbekistan) to collect just one single hadith, and when he arrived at the home of the man known to have that hadith memorised, he found the man attempting to trick a donkey with a carrot, so he just said his greetings and left, and did not even ask him about the hadith, due to his even deceiving of a donkey.

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Reply #21 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 4:54pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 8:56pm:

In other words "Yeh you're right, I made a false accusation against Islam in my last post, but let me cut-paste 20 other things to brush it off".
Do you have no shame?

abu,

With the further quotes i posted, i was merely trying to point out something which Christians believe, about the historical person of Jesus, which muslims deny [but do not openly reveal to non-muslims].

Namely, that the muslim belief is that the muslim Jesus was a prophet of ISLAM, a man, and nothing more.
....and that is how all muslim regard jesus [please correct my understanding, if i am wrong].

Whereas Christians regard the person of Jesus as a manifestation of God on earth, and as God's perfect atonement sacrifice for spiritual sin, which role Jesus fulfilled.

A role Jesus fulfilled, which was prophesied and was set out and prefigured in the wilderness Tabernacle sacrifice, and in the laws relating to sacrifice for sin, given to Moses.

For Jesus to take on that role as the atonement sacrifice, he had to suffer and die, but the death and sacrifice of Jesus is denied by muslims.

Also, if i believe the New Testament account [and i do], the NT Jesus bears no similarity to the 'muslim Jesus' [portrayed within the Koran].

And abu, don't you believe, that for muslims to try to portray [to Christians], a muslim acceptance of Jesus, without muslims defining and explaining their differing beliefs, relating to Jesus role and his person, don't you see this as deceptive?

Isn't it true, abu, that the account of Jesus life and death and resurrection, given in the New Testament, is rejected by muslims?

p.s.
I don't hold to the trinity doctrine.

Jesus is a manifestation of God [who is a spirit].

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

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abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:58am:

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...Jesus is NOT a Jewish messiah [even though ??? the Koran itself refers to the Jesus as 'Christ Jesus', AND as 'Messiah, Jesus']

Obviously if it's mentioned in the Qur'an, then we do believe this. Your argument has it's own self-contained refutation.
I believe Jesus (pbuh) was the messiah promised to the Jews, and so does every other Muslim I've ever come across.

abu, you have made this last statement above, but fail to reveal that muslims do not regard Jesus as the Messiah of the of the OT prophecies.

ISLAM does not regard Jesus as God's anointed Messiah, true?

Or am i again mistaken?

Why are muslims always so spare with the truth?

Dictionary....
Messiah = = the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible...... Jesus, regarded by Christians as the Messiah of these prophecies.

Christ = = from L. Christus, from Gk Khristos, noun use of an adjective meaning ‘anointed’, from khriein ‘anoint’, translating Heb. ‘Messiah’.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #22 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 5:50pm

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i was merely trying to point out something which Christians believe, about the historical person of Jesus, which muslims deny [but do not openly reveal to non-muslims].

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Namely, that the muslim belief is that the muslim Jesus was a prophet of ISLAM, a man, and nothing more.
....and that is how all muslim regard jesus [please correct my understanding, if i am wrong].

You are wrong in claiming we don't openly reveal this. Muslims quite openly, loudly and proudly claim that the heresy of calling Jesus (pbuh) one of three, as 'part' of the indivisible God is rejected by Islam and is considered to be polytheism. He is a man, a prophet, the Messiah, the Word of God,, but nothing more. He is nothing more than a mere mortal, who is completely depedant upon his creator, as you and I am, and that's why in your own book, you'll find him prostrating (laying on his face) as Muslims do, to his creator and sustainer.

You can find millions of articles all over the web from Muslim sites that openly claim this. You just need to expand your sources beyond jihadwatch.com, answering-islam.org and wikipedia...

Are you going to just brush this one aside with 20 more cut-paste jobs? Or are you going to admit you know very little about Islamic teachings? Apart from what you've gleaned from avowed anti-Islamic websites...

Goto the sources, learn about Islam, then if you still feel the same way, come back and debate it. But right now, you're just jibbering rubbish.

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Reply #23 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 5:59pm

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SLAM does not regard Jesus as God's anointed Messiah, true?

As stated already, we do. You already recognised it's written quite clearly in the Qur'an that he is the Messiah. Why do you now doubt it?

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Dictionary....
Messiah = = the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible...... Jesus, regarded by Christians as the Messiah of these prophecies.

The Arabic word is Masih, and is related to the Hebrew term, means the anointed one.

Don't know how much clearer it has to be to you?

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Reply #24 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 6:37pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 5:50pm:

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i was merely trying to point out something which Christians believe, about the historical person of Jesus, which muslims deny [but do not openly reveal to non-muslims].

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Namely, that the muslim belief is that the muslim Jesus was a prophet of ISLAM, a man, and nothing more.
....and that is how all muslim regard jesus [please correct my understanding, if i am wrong].

abu, some [Christians] may regard Jesus as one of three.

I admit that i don't fully comprehend the nature of the 'God-head', the nature of my God.

I trust the scripture, which says that God is a spirit.

And consider, that in this material world, who can limit God's choices, in how he would reveal himself, and interact within this material world?

I do not limit God, to act only within the confines of my own understanding.

But it appears to me, that this is what muslims are doing [limiting God].

i.e. 'God cannot be Jesus, and be God.'

Why not?

But in any case, i do not believe in three God's.

My God is one God, who's nature i don't not even nearly, fully comprehend.

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abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 5:50pm:

You can find millions of articles all over the web from Muslim sites that openly claim this. You just need to expand your sources beyond jihadwatch.com, answering-islam.org and wikipedia...
Are you going to just brush this one aside with 20 more cut-paste jobs? Or are you going to admit you know very little about Islamic teachings? Apart from what you've gleaned from avowed anti-Islamic websites...
Goto the sources, learn about Islam, then if you still feel the same way, come back and debate it. But right now, you're just jibbering rubbish.

abu, you are right, in part, much of what i know about ISLAMIC teachings i have learned from non-ISLAMIC websites.

The trouble with relying on pro-ISLAMIC sources is, it is always difficult to know, to learn, what muslims are not revealing, when they speak to you.

And i always find this disconcerting.

And i think that if i love TRUTH [and i do], i should find this disconcerting.

I'll stick with sources i have come to trust, and where i find error [in my knowledge about ISLAM], i will adjust my views to reflect those learned errors.

abu, i have to say this to you........your god is not my God.
.....of that i am very certain.

Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #25 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 7:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 5:59pm:

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ISLAM does not regard Jesus as God's anointed Messiah, true?

As stated already, we do. You already recognised it's written quite clearly in the Qur'an that he is the Messiah. Why do you now doubt it?

The Arabic word is Masih, and is related to the Hebrew term, means the anointed one.

Don't know how much clearer it has to be to you?

and such a cynical Yadda....

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 6:37pm:

The trouble with relying on pro-ISLAMIC sources is, it is always difficult to know, to learn, [u]what muslims are not revealing, when they speak to you[/u].

And i always find this disconcerting.

And i think that if i love TRUTH [and i do], i should find this disconcerting.

I'll stick with sources i have come to trust, and where i find error [in my knowledge about ISLAM], i will adjust my views to reflect those learned errors.

Yeah, read some of these sources, explaining what ISLAM really teaches about Jesus....

"Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah
What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus"
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm

more sources can be found.....

Google,
jesus Qur'an is the Messiah
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=jesus+Qur%27an+is+the+Messiah&btnG=Searc...

Let the TRUTH guide you.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #26 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 9:58pm

Wow, Yadda finally speaks. I was beginning to think you were some kind of new cut-paste-bot that aggregates all the anti-Islamic articles from answering.islam.org and posts them into threads with Islamic tags on random forums.

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I do not limit God, to act only within the confines of my own understanding.
But it appears to me, that this is what muslims are doing [limiting God].
i.e. 'God cannot be Jesus, and be God.'
Why not?

And likewise the Hindu might ask, why stop at 3? Why not 300? Who are you to limit God to just 3 manifestations?

That's no justification for deifying a human being. The creator is not part of his creation.

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abu, you are right, in part, much of what i know about ISLAMIC teachings i have learned from non-ISLAMIC websites.

Ok, let us say you saw someone who didn't know much about Christianity, and he just visited anti-Christian websites and formed his entire opinion about Christianity from those sites, would you consider he was equipping himself with the relevant material to understand Christianity? Might you think he was afraid to actually look at Christianity ITSELF objectively?

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The trouble with relying on pro-ISLAMIC sources is, it is always difficult to know, to learn, what muslims are not revealing, when they speak to you.

The trouble with just relying on anti-Islamic sites is that you're not actually examining Islam ITSELF, but the opponents of Islam's bias against it.

Do you think Muslims have some secret sites that they only admit the juicey stuff on or something?

The simple fact is, that if you never actually read what Muslims have to say about Islam, then you'll never really know what Islam is. You'll know what the opponents of Islam perceive it to be or want you to perceive it to be, but that's about it. Personally, when I began looking into different religions, I looked only at the religions themselves and what they espoused, to see what they had to say. and Islam was my choice.

Claiming that Muslims don't reveal certain things is a pretty weak argument. Same could be said about any religion. Islam is very transparent and open, and that's probably why it receives the lion's share of the criticism, because it's frank and honest, even if it's not always popular to be.

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And i think that if i love TRUTH [and i do], i should find this disconcerting.

If you loved truth, you'd examine it objectively, not through the eyes of it's opponents only. Are you afraid you might be 'seduced' by it? If not, then there shouldn't be any problem with examining it ITSELF.

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abu, i have to say this to you........your god is not my God

What I would say is this. There's only one God, cannot be more than one, and any other view is just polytheism in some form or another.

But what I will agree with is that the concepts and views I hold about God are a world away from yours. You envision God as being part of 3 (the psycho-babble about him not being 3 but 3 in 1 etc. is lost on me sorry), for me he is one and only one. You believe he begat a son etc. Whilst I clearly reject all this as blatant polytheism.

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Yeah, read some of these sources, explaining what ISLAM really teaches about Jesus....

Since you visit answering-islam.org I assume you've also visited the refutation of this site Answering Christianity? Every single article on answering-islam.org is thoroughly refuted with evidences from the Bible itself, as well as the Qur'an and Hadith. Don't be afraid of being 'seduced', check and see how you're being spiritually swindled.

Just also something from that answering-islam.org article you linked to:
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owever, the Muslim explanation comes at a tremendous price: Their version of the story portrays God as a horrible deceiver, and Jesus as the most stupendous failure in the history of the prophets.

Actually it is your version that makes God out to be a deceiver. As you claim Jesus (pbuh) is God, and that he died for our sins right? If he's God, then he knew full well he wasn't dying, and therefore the whole sacrifice for our sins doctrine is just completely empty. As God could not sacrifice anything, since God is all knowing and all-powerful. Pretending to die for our sins would just be a swindle, a deception. A fake and empty sacrifice with no price and most importantly no salvation...

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Reply #27 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 10:57pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 9:58pm:

I do not limit God, to act only within the confines of my own understanding.
But it appears to me, that this is what muslims are doing [limiting God].
i.e. 'God cannot be Jesus, and be God.'
Why not?

And likewise the Hindu might ask, why stop at 3? Why not 300? Who are you to limit God to just 3 manifestations?

abu,
We all come to believe what we believe.

I don't seek to condemn, sentence, and execute ppl for their beliefs.

Whatever their beliefs are, they can answer to God for - when they meet him.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #28 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 11:38pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 9:58pm:

That's no justification for deifying a human being. The creator is not part of his creation.

abu,
There you go again, limiting God.

I could prove to you from Genesis that the creator can be a part of his creation.

If you respect the Jewish Bible???

But Bible scripture is irrelevant to a muslim [i believe], to muslims only the Koran is regarded as the valid word of Allah.

So it is very easy for muslims to dismiss the beliefs of believers, because they are accounted as non-muslims [and in error - supposedly].

Genesis 18:1
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Scripture says that God's feet were washed by Abraham's water, and God ate Abraham's meat.

It seems to me, that the creator is a part of his creation, if he chooses to be.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #29 - Oct 19^th, 2008 at 12:06am

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 9:58pm:

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abu, you are right, in part, much of what i know about ISLAMIC teachings i have learned from non-ISLAMIC websites.

Judging ISLAM objectively?

abu,
Learning, and coming to know, that ISLAM has a doctrine of deception towards those who are 'unbelievers',
Why would i need to seek the advice of a ppl whose philosophy is to deceive those not of their group?
i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Better to look myself, at ISLAMIC doctrine, study the Koran and Hadith, and observe how muslims act in the world.
....and to learn from the open TRUTH of EX-muslims, who know ISLAM's faults intimately.

Isn't this a biased approach?

Perhaps.

But if ISLAM is faultless, as its proponents proclaim, then its virtues will surely shine through any criticism that can be levelled against it.

Surely.

I have studied some of the Koran and Hadith.

I have studied enough of it, to wish that those ppl who call themselves muslims, would also study the Koran and Hadith, to learn what these books contain, and teach.

I wish that ppl who call themselves muslims, would study the Koran and Hadith, and not merely be able to recite its words, without thought, and be led blindly by muslim clerics.

From the Koran....

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.120

Never truer words.

But to me, much of the Koran and Hadith seem gibberish, and illogical, violent nonsense.

To me, the Koran teaches of worldly dominion, and is a manual for worldly supremacy, through submission, the exploitation, and the bondage of 'lessors' [sub-humans].

ISLAM is not about serving a God, Allah, but about seizing a temporal world, through the use of violence and terror.

I would not want to live in a world ruled by muslims - Allah's perfect .

But, i can imagine that i regard the Koran and Hadith, in much the same way that an atheist would regard the Bible.

Whereas, when i read the Bible, it fills me with joy to read its pages and learn about the God who loves me.

"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110

Yes, supremacists.

ISLAM, good.
Everyone else, bad.i

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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