abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17
th, 2008 at 11:58am:
Quote:...Jesus is NOT a Jewish messiah [even though ??? the Koran itself refers to the Jesus as 'Christ Jesus', AND as 'Messiah, Jesus']
Obviously if it's mentioned in the Qur'an, then we do believe this. Your argument has it's own self-contained refutation.
I believe Jesus (pbuh) was the messiah promised to the Jews, and so does every other Muslim I've ever come across.
More Bible verses which muslims reject...
John 1:32
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw,
and bare record that this is the Son of God.
John 9:35
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on
the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and
it is he that talketh with thee.
John 10:31
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from
my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came,
and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest;
because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that
the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ,
the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
abu, we are all God's children [by adoption], if we choose to be.
I know and can see that many muslims reject God's message,
.....'because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.'
Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
But to me, this is merely re-stating, reconfirming, the wisdom of my God.
And here is the 'punchline' from a parable of Jesus...
Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Psalms 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
Psalms 40:4
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.