polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 8
th, 2014 at 5:06pm:
This one matty?
Mattywisk wrote on Jun 6
th, 2014 at 11:08pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6
th, 2014 at 10:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6
th, 2014 at 9:42pm:
You seem to be projecting an awful lot of your own knowledge onto Islam.
Only in so far as I refuse to accept that the message of islam is about creating bigots and misogynists. I unapologetically treat this as
a priori knowledge in my islamic beliefs - it would be absolutely nonsensical to me to come into islam thinking "well it could be about tolerance and understanding, but equally it could be about bigotry". If I had accepted it was the latter, then I would not have embraced islam - unless I was a psychopath. Once I accept the overall "theme" of islam, then the rest is just details.
Really, then tell me how the scriptures that the extremist muslim murderers quote do not represent the true Islam that you embrace ?
It would help if you were a little more specific. Give me an example of an extremist reciting a quranic quote while they commit murder and I'll explain to you why I believe they are wrong - doctrinally.
You'll forgive me for treating this more as a rhetorical question to make a point, rather than an actual question you were expecting an answer to.
It was just ignored. I have no idea why you thought it wasn't a question wanting an answer.
I want you to explain why the Quaran is wrong and why another verse supersedes what is written below today. I am sure you have seen these before. I just did a quick google so don't hold me to who translated what but the general gist is there. More than happy to know why they are all BS and not applicable today and why I could not quote them as a muslim carrying out what they say and allah would not be storing away virgins for me.
Even if I took away the simple basic message of hatred why I could not apply it.
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)
"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
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