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Reply #15 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:40am

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The Catholics tried it.
They aren't trying it anymore.

Btw, when the "Catholics" were waging wars in the name of Christ, there was no such thing as Protestant, they were all "Catholics". In fact most of those who went and fought in the name of Christ were French/English/German (ie. those who later became Protestants)..

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In Christianity belief and "membership" is not forced.

Not anymore, because you were stripped of that power. For the majority of the history of Christianity it WAS enforced, and the alternative was death. Like the millions of Muslims from al-Andalus who were given the choice of the cross or the stake. Or the Scandanavian heathens who were forcefully converted during the Baltic crusades. Christianity simply left nothing in it's path, it was conversion or death, unlike Islam, where we see hundreds of different pre-Islamic religions, languages, cultures still extant in the Muslim lands.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #16 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:56am Gaybriel abd Abu - Gosh yes !!! Christians have done LOTS of bad stuff over the centuries. but, this is a thread on islam, so should be kept to that topic. yet again, feel free to start a thread on the new topic
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Reply #17 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 11:12am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:56am:

Gaybriel abd Abu - Gosh yes !!!
Christians have done LOTS of bad stuff over the centuries.

but, this is a thread on islam, so should be kept to that topic.

yet again, feel free to start a thread on the new topic

agreed.

I'm not trying to turn this around to make it about christianity. I was just responding to your claim that islam is the only religion that looks for world domination- I don't think that's really true, as most people who belong to a religious group (or don't) seem to wish for everyone else to follow what they follow.

even atheists often express a desire (also seen on this forum) for all religions to disappear and for everyone to adopt atheism!

I think it's only natural, when one believes their way is the right way to live, to want others to live that way as well.

it's when people try to enforce that upon others that it starts to get nasty

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #18 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 11:28am Quote: it's when people try to enforce that upon others that it starts to get nasty which is exactly in a number of quotes from the koran. i am not aware of any other belief having that "demand"
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #19 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 11:38am Let's hear one of them sprint...
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Reply #20 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:01pm

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Yes of course Islam aims for total world domination

Now that the truth is out, what do the rest of us do about it? Any suggestions? Please note, this thread is about Islam and it's desire for world domination, go start another thread about other groups' quests for their world domination if you need to discuss anything other than Islam.

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Reply #21 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:05pm

jordan484 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:01pm:

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Yes of course Islam aims for total world domination

Now that the truth is out, what do the rest of us do about it? Any suggestions? Please note, this thread is about Islam and it's desire for world domination, go start another thread about other groups' quests for their world domination if you need to discuss anything other than Islam.

first we must establish if this is actually truth. and if it is actually any different to any other group's desires- hence the discussion of other groups. I don't think we need to go into too much detail- but it is a valid point

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #22 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:10pm Well, since all knowing and all seeing abu said it's true, then it must be!!! The only reason muslims bring in other religions is to try (poorly) to defend their own atrocities. Let's concentrate on Islams desire for world domination, and what the rest of us need to do about it.
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Reply #23 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:36pm

jordan484 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:10pm:

Well, since all knowing and all seeing abu said it's true, then it must be!!! Grin

The only reason muslims bring in other religions is to try (poorly) to defend their own atrocities.

Let's concentrate on Islams desire for world domination, and what the rest of us need to do about it.

I was the one who brought in other religions- not abu. and my point was not to deflect from the discussion of Islam, but to look at it in relative terms to the rest of the world. this is actually not an unreasonable thing to do.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #24 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:41pm Actually, if you take a look back you'll find abu bought it up a couple of times before you even posted in this thread.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #25 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:43pm from memory "Make islam the dominant religion over all other religions." There are others about humbling the infidels, making them pay the extra tax in humiliation.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #26 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:43pm Anyway, let's keep this on topic. It's about Islam and their desire for world domination.
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Reply #27 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:51pm

Nice to see through the smoke and mirrors that aboo agreed with me that catholics tried to force their religion on the world and failed and aren't doing it any more and that Christianity doesn't force 'membership" anymore.

So Aboo when is Islam going to grow-up?

Oh and gaybriel as for your belief about what the "missionary" said.. lol... anyone believing that would be acceptable has gotta be kidding themselves or grasping for straws in an apologist sort of way.

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Reply #28 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:52pm

jordan484 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:41pm:

Actually, if you take a look back you'll find abu bought it up a couple of times before you even posted in this thread.

so he did- but I see this as on topic- within certain limits.

how can one ascertain the desire for world domination without understanding what that means to islam? what it means for other groups? and what it has meant for groups past?

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Reply #29 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:53pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:51pm:

Nice to see through the smoke and mirrors that aboo agreed with me that catholics tried to force their religion on the world and failed and aren't doing it any more and that Christianity doesn't force 'membership" anymore.

So Aboo when is Islam going to grow-up?

Oh and gaybriel as for your belief about what the "missionary" said.. lol... anyone believing that would be acceptable has gotta be kidding themselves or grasping for straws in an apologist sort of way.

?? did I say it was acceptable??

I merely said it was common practise over there at that time

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