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Reply #15 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 9:13am

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2008 at 9:09am:

Yes I know what you said. I can read it. I just don't understand why you are claiming that you cannot say it, while demonstrating that you can. Nor do I understand what this has to do with responsibility for extremists.

Is it just me, or are the 'diversionary tactics' getting more and more absurd?

Is it more morally repugnant to swear (against which you have implemented a filter) than to cheer the deaths of children?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: responsibility for extremists Reply #16 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 10:53am No. Why would you ask such a silly question? What point are you trying to make?
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Reply #17 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 11:28am

The thread is about responsibility for extremists freediver.

Yet you seem to think it only applies to Muslims.

Helian is making a very valid comparison (one I've made myself) that you have no problem at all with Aussie Nationalists making quite extreme statements in support of murdering children, yet if others don't openly condemn an attack you believe they are somehow complicit in it and you lay the blame for the continued existence of militia groups on Muslims for not condemning attacks by militias.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: responsibility for extremists Reply #18 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 11:30am So you equate feeding internet trolls with trying to stop fellow Muslims from deliberately blowing up innocent civilians? I think it's a bit of a strech to use that to justify the Muslim community harbouring terrorists.
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Reply #19 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:16pm

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2008 at 10:53am:

No. Why would you ask such a silly question? What point are you trying to make?

Then act.

As the forum owner, should you not take responsibility for extreme statements in this forum?

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I don't think either of them broke any rules. I'm not going to ban someone just because they're not a very nice person.

Why are there no rules against statements as extreme as cheering the deaths of children?

You did ban someone recently for using the word moron in his posts.

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Reply #20 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:28pm

As the forum owner, should you not take responsibility for extreme statements in this forum?

If they break the rules, yes. But I am not going to set rule based standards for being 'nice'.

Why are there no rules against statements as extreme as cheering the deaths of children?

Because no-one has suggested any until now. If you can come up with something sensible, please bring it up on the feedback board. It kind of diminishes the validity of your complaint in other peoples eyes if you merely use it as part of a diversionary rhetorical tactic.

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Reply #21 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:43pm

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:28pm:

As the forum owner, should you not take responsibility for extreme statements in this forum?

If they break the rules, yes. But I am not going to set rule based standards for being 'nice'.

Why are there no rules against statements as extreme as cheering the deaths of children?

Because no-one has suggested any until now. If you can come up with something sensible, please bring it up on the feedback board. It kind of diminishes the validity of your complaint in other peoples eyes if you merely use it as part of a diversionary rhetorical tactic.

Don't expect others to do what you won't do yourself.

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Reply #22 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:43pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:28pm:

As the forum owner, should you not take responsibility for extreme statements in this forum?

If they break the rules, yes. But I am not going to set rule based standards for being 'nice'.

Why are there no rules against statements as extreme as cheering the deaths of children?

Because no-one has suggested any until now. If you can come up with something sensible, please bring it up on the feedback board. It kind of diminishes the validity of your complaint in other peoples eyes if you merely use it as part of a diversionary rhetorical tactic.

Don't expect others to do what you won't do yourself.

So I can't expect 'others' to contribute to this forum or it's rules because I won't do so myself?

Are any of you interested in compiling a list of demands that would have to be met before you would consider it reasonable for Muslims to reign in Islamic terrorists?

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Reply #23 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 1:31pm

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2008 at 12:54pm:

So I can't expect 'others' to contribute to this forum or it's rules because I won't do so myself?

Are any of you interested in compiling a list of demands that would have to be met before you would consider it reasonable for Muslims to reign in Islamic terrorists?

Come on leader boy... lead.

Apply those high-headed statements at the start of this thread to our own 'extremists'. Quid pro quo.

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Reply #24 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 1:54pm

I am leading. You just don't like the direction.

I have made it quite clear, in the rules and elsewhere, that it is better to ignore trolls than respond with personal criticism. It is not reasonable to expect people to 'take on' every silly statement that trolls post online. Expecting people to do so would undermine the functionality of online forums. It is however reasonable to expect people to take on those that deliberately kill innocent civilians or do real harm. I find it quite disturbing that you seem unable to distinguish the two issues. Is this just a silly diversionary tactic, or do you really equate the two issues?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: responsibility for extremists Reply #25 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 3:09pm Ah boys... you are letting the muslim mods off the hook in their own forum. Of course topics here are about Muslims. Now if only they didn't suddenly get frightened by the truth. And people pointing out their lack of honesty in debate.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40681 Gender:	Re: responsibility for extremists Reply #26 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 6:17pm grendel - yes, the posts have gone off topic again
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Reply #27 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 9:35pm

The topic is responsibility for extremists. Or do you consider all extremists to be Muslims?

This is not off topic at all, and even if it were, the Islamic forum guidelines don't state anything about off topic posts not being allowed. If you don't like the guidelines sprint, I've suggested to you enough times before, don't post here. Same with you Grendel.

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Reply #28 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 9:47pm

The topic is responsibility far Muslim extremists. I thought people would figure out the Muslim bit from the fact that I posted it in the Islam board and brought up the responsibility that Muslims feel for Muslim extremists. Obviously I can't stop Muslims bringing up other extremists to justify their own position, but it is an extremly weak argument for a double standard.

Perhaps Muslims think that the actions of terrorists are no different to the actions of a legitimate army. But this doesn't sit well with the other claims that Muslims don't support terrorism. Maybe it's time to bring this back to basics.

Do Muslims support Islamic terrorism?

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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: responsibility for extremists Reply #29 - Oct 26^th, 2008 at 9:55pm I would say that most muslims dont believe the best way to go about their agenda is killing "innocent" people. but on the same note most muslims imo would find it hard to condemn people who are fighting the "right" enemy just not in the most desirable way.
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