gaybriel...  if you don't want me to reply to a statement made by someone else you better mod it (the original flame or comment) out then.

It's always the best and brightest, isn't it?


Monday, 2 March 2009
Snoop Doggy Dogg converts to Nation of Islam

According to AP, Rapper Snoop Dogg (a.k.a. Snoop Doggy Dogg, a.k.a. Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Jr.) has announced that he has joined the Nation of Islam.

The Doggfather of Rap, known for such brilliant works as "Pussy Sells", "In Love With a Thug", "Bitch Please", and "I Wanna bugger You", and at least as well known for his criminal trials for murder (1993), cocaine possession (1990's), being an ex-felon in possession of a handgun (1997 and 2006), and attempting to smuggle a weapon onto an airline flight (2007), was apparently drawn to the Religion of Peace by its soothing messages of respect for women and tolerance of non-Believers.

Of course, True Muslims know that the Nation of Islam is not True Islam, since it contains many forbidden innovations and heresies.  But the Nation of Islam is still based on the teachings of Mohammad as laid out in the holy, holy Qur'an, and it does adhere to the Five Pillars of Islam:  Shahada (profession of faith), Salah (prayers), Zakat (alms-giving), Sawm (fasting during Ramadan), and Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in one's life).  It also adheres to the unofficial Sixth and Seventh Pillars of Islam: extreme antisemitism and Jihad.

The allure of Islam (and/or the Nation of Islam) for angry and dissaffected young urban men of color is troubling.  [mod: Insults against prophet, you know the rules soren, this is last warning, next time you're out] Those who myopically ignore the home-grown threat of Islamic racism and violence, and only focus on external jihadists such as Al Qaeda, Hizb'Allah, and Hamas, do so at great future risk.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/19794

The AP blurb:
Snoop Dogg appears at Nation of Islam convention

Rapper Snoop Dogg made an appearance Sunday at the Nation of Islam's annual Saviours Day convention, praising Minister Louis Farrakhan and suggesting that he is a member of the movement.

Snoop, whose real name is Calvin Broadus, gave a $1,000 donation to the Nation and said he will always seek the minister out.

The rapper called himself the "leader of the hip-hop community" ( ) and said it was his first Saviours Day event. He told followers that he would share the information he gathered with other musicians.

"When you get a speech from Minister Farrakhan it's about a mirror, it's about looking at yourself," the rapper later told The Associated Press. "It's about seeing yourself and what you can do to better the situation ... We're doing a lot of wrongs among ourselves that need correcting."

When asked by the AP if he planned to convert and become a member of the Chicago-based Nation of Islam, Snoop said he has already joined in the movement.

"I'm already in the Nation, that's why I'm here," he said. "I'm an advocate for peace. I've been in the peace movement ever since I've been making music. My whole thing is not about really trying to push my thing on you. It's just about the way I live, and I live how I'm supposed to live as far as doing what's right and representing what's right. That's why I was here today."

The rapper did not elaborate on when he'd joined the Nation. Messages left for Nation of Islam officials were not immediately returned Sunday. Attempts to reach the rapper's publicist were unsuccessful.

During the speech Sunday, Snoop sat on stage behind Farrakhan clapping and nodding.

Snoop declined to say how long he would be in the Chicago area or whether he was working on any projects. His last album, "Ego Trippin,'" was released in March 2008.

Farrakhan has long held relationships with famous rappers and hip-hop artists. He has hosted and spoken at hip-hop conventions, encouraging peace between rappers.

Rapper Doug E. Fresh also attended the convention but didn't speak publicly. Rapper T.I., whose real name is Clifford Harris, appeared via recorded video. He told followers that education is the key to success.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2009 at 4:53pm:


Includes a lot more than that, as pointed out above.

Of course, True Muslims know that the Nation of Islam is not True Islam, since it contains many forbidden innovations and heresies.  But the Nation of Islam is still based on the teachings of Mohammad as laid out in the holy, holy Qur'an, and it does adhere to the Five Pillars of Islam:  Shahada (profession of faith), Salah (prayers), Zakat (alms-giving), Sawm (fasting during Ramadan), and Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in one's life).  It also adheres to the unofficial Sixth and Seventh Pillars of Islam: extreme antisemitism and Jihad.


All the necessary pillars are present and correct. Who cares if they have a few more? They think they are muslims and that's enough to take them to be muslims.

Religion is a confessional thang. Geddit? What you say is what you are.

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They are black. Thee rest of your list is untrue. NOI isn't  polytheistic, they don't belive in the trinity (which is a monotheistic concept anyway). And NOI has nothing to do with Christianity.
The shiites are as much outside it for sunnis like you. Come to that - which non-sunni creed is not outside it?

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2009 at 6:55pm:



Those are your little editorial square brackets there, not anyone else's, and not the shahada's :

Lā ilaha illa al-Lāh, Muhammadun rasūlu l-Lāh - “There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"
RASULU'-LLAH =  the Messenger of God.

There is no [last and final] in the shahada.

SO you might not think they are muslims but they are.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 4^th, 2009 at 5:01pm:



Implied, eh? You mean still open to interpretation? One of the meanings of pronouncements is still only implied? Shurely shome mishtake.

And NOI don't believe the 'god beecame man' stuff any more than you do when you believe that god 'spoke' to gaybriel who 'spoke' to Mohammed who, filled with the spirit, 'spoke' all and sundry who'd listen, who then after a while spoke to each other and their descendants who eventually wrote down what their fathers and grandfathers, Mohammed's contemporaries, remembered and passed down to them, the scribes to writee down and collect. NOI believes in the incarnation of god in their founder dude insomuch as you believe that Mohammed's part in the above Chinese whispers implies that he is qualified to be regarded as the 'seal of the prophets'.

In a word, it is only hoped for, implied - but not actually in the shahada.