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Re: what made you become a Muslim?
Reply #75 - Nov 15th, 2008 at 11:20am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 15th, 2008 at 11:04am:
No you left the religion.
Not all Christians believe Jesus is God.
I don't believe many things Catholics do.

That's true.. but I guess to understand the reasons you'd have to understand the Islamic understanding of tawheed, and what the "oneness of God" really means to Muslims. When I found that out, that is what I felt I already believed in many ways and which is why I started to become interested in Islam. Of course there are other reasons but that was one of the main ones.
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Re: what made you become a Muslim?
Reply #76 - Nov 15th, 2008 at 11:22am
 
I should also point out that there was about a fourteen year difference between me leaving Catholicism and finding Islam, so it's not like it just happened a few weeks apart or anything. It certainly wasn't a knee jerk reaction (unless we're talking about 14 year reflexes Smiley ) rather I really felt like I had found the truth.
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Reply #77 - Nov 15th, 2008 at 11:39am
 
Tawhid, Tawheed, Tauheed, Tauhid...  etc, etc, etc...  whats in a name eh.

So somehow your idea of  monotheism is markedly different to mine.  Hence I just don't understand the concept of a; single/unique, omnipotent, all knowing, omnipresent/universal, divine/holy being then eh.

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Re: what made you become a Muslim?
Reply #78 - Nov 15th, 2008 at 6:28pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 15th, 2008 at 11:39am:
Tawhid, Tawheed, Tauheed, Tauhid...  etc, etc, etc...  whats in a name eh.
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its a transliteration of an arabic word, thats why you get different spellings
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Reply #79 - Nov 15th, 2008 at 6:49pm
 
I think I already pointed out I have no concern with the spelling Phil...  you are not listening are you.
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Reply #80 - Nov 15th, 2008 at 10:37pm
 

So why did you list various transliteration spellings then?
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Reply #81 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 12:31pm
 
I became an Atheist when i was nine years old, having been a nominal Christian in an agnostic family. I was fanatical about it, I was more of an anti-Theist than an atheist, my fanatacism revolving around a dramatic hatred of God rather than any logical objection beyond 'how can an all loving God cause suffering'.

In high school I was very lost (like most adolescents in this society). I was bright in school and good at my schoolwork, but outside of school I became associated with gangsters, and involved in those things that gangsters do. After a number of traumatic events occured around that, I began to remove myself from such situations.

I did not believe at that time that I would live to see 21, but I had no fear of death, and I was still a fanatical atheist. I started dating a girl who was a Christian, and found that my Richard Dawkins style arrogant atheism did not serve me in relationships with real people. Her faith was not reallly that developed, but it was a source of strength rather than the crutch of ignorance I had viewed it as. I also began reading more and more philosophy and began to view myself as an agnostic.

I graduated high school and, having stopped being assosciated with gangsters I began to look for ways to repair the damage I had done to society. I began to study social work at uni. This in turn put me into contact with many people who had been through the most horrific experiences. I became increasingly confused at the nature of the world, agnosticism and philosophy provided inadequate answers for me.

So I went searching for answers. I looked briefly into Christianity, but I still had the same issues, the trinity was illogical, their conception of God seemingly so limited. I looked at Buddhism and found it disempowering and in some cases exploitative. I had a strong sense of both social justice and a broadly developed concept of feminism, and the things I saw in all the other faiths in one way or another contradicted these ethics.

I had a conception of Islam historically, having touched briefly on it as a historical trend in my historical studies. My Mum, who is the dean of arts of a major Australian University, went to a conference where she came into contact with a number of Muslim women who she talked to about the religion. When she returned she told me that if 'i ever converted to a religion, she would want it to be Islam' because of the theological feminism that exists within it.

I had never considered Islam before, not because I had some prejudiced assumptions about it (my historical studies of actual sources rather than biased books had led to this), but because I didn't know any Muslims.

I was working at a bookstore at the time, and I bought a copy of the Holy Qu'ran. I found it inpenetrable at first, but I didn't want to dismiss it at that, so I sought out Muslims. Through a sister in my course I met a brother who said he would talk to me about it. I sat down with him and asked him questions and all his answers were satisfactory. God was not some limited anthropomorphic being. The Islamic system had introduced social welfare hundreds of years ahead of Europe, had rules of warfare far before the Geneva convention. Women had access to divorce, pre nuptial agreements and child support at a time when Europeans were arguing over whether or not women even had souls. Islam was anti-racist, logical and completely in line with most of my pre existing ethics.

So I decided that I would look into it more. I chose to fast ramadan, and if it was made easy upon me then I would take it as another reason for conversion. I began to go to classes with a Sheikh who was an American convert who had 10 years of study behind him. He was a scifi nerd just like me and was the most down to earth and well mannered person I think I had ever met.

I went to two weeks of ramadan classes... and could not find any flaws in what was taught. It became a choice, believe or not believe.. once I had chosen to believe, the most logical religion was Islam.. I sat down with the Sheikhs, asked a bunch of questions, all of which he answered flawlessly. Then at 20 I took Shahada. Alhamdulillah.
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Reply #82 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 4:46pm
 
Why because there are various spellings...  oooh...  yes its some huge conspiracy on my behalf...  

Why are you so paranoid you always think in the negative...  is that an Islamic trait?
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Reply #83 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 4:54pm
 
Rin you have a very distorted view of Christianity...  seems to me you put very little effort or understanding into that.  I thik you'll find many people, including many here think islam is flawed and point it out 'flawlessly".
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Reply #84 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 5:48pm
 

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Rin you have a very distorted view of Christianity


Yet a recurring one, that many Christians keep having... and which often leads them to look elsewhere, especially to Islam, due to it's pure unadulterated monotheism.

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seems to me you put very little effort or understanding into that


The question of the topic is "why you embraced Islam" not "What features of your embracing Islam do you think Grendel might appreciate". If I recall correctly, you've already posted about 8 times in this thread, demanding Muslims tell their stories, quite obviously so you can post nonsensical stuff like this.

Peoples reasons are their reasons. If you think they've misunderstood and Christianity is actually worth adhering to, explain why, don't just try to insult and deride them, for a choice they obviously thought was worth t\changing their entire life for.

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I thik you'll find many people, including many here think islam is flawed and point it out 'flawlessly".


Many people including many... that must be a lot then  Grin

About the only thing you do flawlessly here is display your ignorance of Islam, as with most of your cohorts.

People are leaving Christianity and embracing Islam, and quite obviously you're distraught at this thought. I don't blame you, but you should read the writing on the wall, not try to attack us.
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Reply #85 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 5:58pm
 
There seems to be a common theme here about the concept of God and a rejection of (catholic?) trinitarianism. Is this usually the most important factor for western or (ex-)Christian converts? What is the Islamic concept of God, and how does it differ from protestant Christianity?
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Reply #86 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 6:19pm
 
gee yet not all Christiians believe in the Trinity of the Catholics.

Even those who adopted the doctrine in some shape of form re the nature of God either do not push the same belief re the Trinity or choose to not stress the nature of God as such as even in the trinity there is but ONE God.

hasn't anyone explained this to you b4 Aboo?

Oh and don't lie about me Aboo...  I find it tedious.  if not just plain paranoid on your part.  If you say I do something post proof or be silent.


oh and I haven't insulted or derided anyone because of their belief or lack thereof.  that's your paranoia speaking and believe me I've held back with you buddy.

The only problem I have with Islam is that it seems to continue to seek world "domination" and all the problems for the rest of us that flows from that.  I'm quite happy for you believe whatever you wish.  But I'm a secularist and I think religious belief should be a choice and is a private issue between you and your God.

I don't attack Mulsims for thir belief...  that's motre lies and paranoia.  You seem to think any dissent or questioning is an attack personal or on Islam...  that's paranoia pure and simple.
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Reply #87 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 6:26pm
 

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There seems to be a common theme here about the concept of God


Yeh appears to be. The Christian concept of God is quite hard for a lot to swallow

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and a rejection of (catholic?) trinitarianism


Trinitarianism is not Catholic, it's believed in by the vast majority of Christians. Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants (the main 3 branches) all adopt the Nicene Creed which is where Trinitarianism comes from. I agree it's not a Biblical concept, but it somehow made it's way to become the foundation of their belief.

The Reformist Christian movements who don't accept the trinity are very few, although individuals from some Protestant churches might not personally believe it, or don't even know much about it, but the churches themselves definitely do adopt it.

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Is this usually the most important factor for western or (ex-)Christian converts?


Religion is about God... so if the concept of God is flawed, then the whole religion is.

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What is the Islamic concept of God, and how does it differ from protestant Christianity?


It is purely monotheistic.

In Christianity, God is 3 in 1, which is consider by Islam to be polytheistic.
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Reply #88 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 6:33pm
 
So it's not significantly different from the reforminst movements that reject the trinity? Is the concept of Jesus as the son of God polytheistic?

Is there a fundamentally different view on the 'presence' of God? Does Islam differ significantly on it's concept of God in any way other than focussing on 'pure' monotheism?
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Reply #89 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 6:55pm
 
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Well apparently its not as difficult to understand for christians as it is for you Aboo.

Christians believe there is ONE true God.

The nature of God however is up for discussion.

Good grief.
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