You cannot prove anything in science which requires observation.

And this is relevant because?

Just how is that circular reasoning.

Why does it hold little weight without an external method of verificiation?

The existence of a god cannot be proved with science (or disproved for that matter).

Duh. Nor can the existence of Hitler.

In fact science has exactly nothing to say about the supernatural because

So what you're saying is that it is totally irrelevant?

as far as science is concerned it does not exist.

This is not exactly true. It is beyond the scope of the scientific method, but that certainly does not mean it does not exist.

Primarily due to the fact that internal verification is fundamentally open to far more bias and influence.

Every paradigm you use is based on internal verification, including science and it's paradigms.

Things beyond the scope of the scope of the scientific method are irrelevant from a scientific point of view

Duh. And this is relevant because?

since they do not influence the physical world.

Wrong. Does Hitler fit into the physical world?

Incorporates, not based on.  There is a layer of internal verification because we have limited ways to perceive the world.

The olny objective measure of a paradigm other than internal consistency is the number of people who believe it.

Kytro wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 3:09pm:


You're kidding, right? I thought he commited suicide years ago.

Hitler was not supernatural.

My point still stands. Your claims about science are totally irrelevant.

Internal consistency needs to be measured and subjected to scrutiny.   Just because a person believes something does not make it so.  This does not change no matter how many people believe it, argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

And your point is?

So we can't rely on historical accounts of Hiroshima unless we do it again?

The point is that personal experience without objectively repeatable results is not reliable.

What kind of wishy washy garbage is that?

G'day Yadda,

It might be a bit hard to convey my thoughts and feelings with a summary, mainly because semantics always comes into it, and also because it's a skill in which I'm not overly proficient.

Firstly, I think that it's a mistake to throw every religious person and every atheist into a specific category; there's lots of greys in between.

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I think that a lot of people throw away their rational thought for something that they want or need to believe in. Unfortunately, I think that many of them swallow a whole load of bs which serves the specific agenda of their thought controllers. This can sometimes lead to believing in fairies, yes.

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We can only assume beyond reasonable doubt where there are no given absolutes, such as in mathematics.

For instance: The madman that killed his neighbor for no apparent reason would be put in jail or an institution even though he stated that God told him to do it.

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For the same reasons, a provable positive is also not absolute. It's just beyond reasonable doubt.

For instance: You say that a person exists because you can see him/her standing right in front of you and so does everybody else around you.
But unbeknowns to you or everybody else, the person that you see in front of you is actually just a holographic figure that has been conjured up using new technology.

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Of course not, I'm very interested in people's experiences.

I've had inexplicable experiences in their bucket loads. Some minor, and some very profound.

In some ways I consider that I'd be lessening the personal value of those experiences by simply saying "Oh that must God speaking to me, so I must now believe everything that a religion tells me about it".

I'm much more interested in looking at quantum physics for possible future explanations.

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I believe that almost anything imaginable can be possible.

Now put me back in time 2000 years with one of those giant metal "God birds" and let me show them "actual" images of God and let them hear the voice of God, and let me tell you, nobody would know anything about Christianity or Islam because the world would be Amaddian....Hoo hoo hah ha!i