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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40751 Gender:	Re: In defence of muslims .......... Reply #15 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 10:12am So lestat - how have my answers gone so far ??
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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: In defence of muslims .......... Reply #16 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 2:09pm Sprint - I thought your first reply was pretty good. I'm surprised FD didn't ask you for a hypothetical " What made you become a Muslim" question.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40751 Gender:	Re: In defence of muslims .......... Reply #17 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 2:34pm locutius - thanks. hahha, that'ld be a touighie to answer. No, i am only here answering stuff on behalf of muslims, not a one. they seem to not want to give styraight answers, I got so frustrated thought someone should !!
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Reply #18 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 6:08pm

In defence of muslims... Hmm.
I answered the question " Why the Koran is not from Allah..." with this:

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The Koran is a turgid, repetitive parody of old and new testament writing.

It is always defended with reference to these two other books, never on its own merit.

Despite its often repeated beauty and unsurpassed grandeur, criticism of it carries the death penalty.

And criticisms like this are deleted from the forum, as were my earlier comments today.

It got deleted and i'll be benched if I post it again there.

Which part is beyond ordinary debateing parameters?

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Reply #19 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 6:49pm

yes, in defense of muslims .

No, it is not beyond ordinary debating parameters.
But who you say it to makes the difference.

Some muslims are VERY religious.
They pray 5* a day every day plus extras. Their prayers take HOURS
They go on ramadan - ie fasting for a month.
They travel to mecca as much as they can.

There is no gap between their belief and themselves.
They are their belief, every day every step.

Any criticism against the koran or mohammad is NOT just a criticism against a book or a historic person.
It is a slap bang right in their face personal attack.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: In defence of muslims .......... Reply #20 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 7:36pm Why do the ordinary debating parameters NOT apply to Muslims in a pluralist society like Australia? Why is there sharia law on certain section of even this forum?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40751 Gender:	Re: In defence of muslims .......... Reply #21 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:04pm because muslims do not accept ordinary debating parameters. Criticism cuts right through them. I don't feel that that is sharia law, though for "right" muslims, that may be what their goal is. So, cant have sharia as a goal and accept ordinary debating
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Reply #22 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:26pm

If muslims do not accept the ordinary parameters of a pluralist society like Asutralia, why does a pluralist society accept them?
Why don't pluralist socieeties tell people at the airport - "Your faith , whatever it is, will have no special privileges, so don't ask for them". Why ddo pluralist socieeties tolerate thee locally-born who demands privileges along such lines?

Why is mulism intolerance tolerated? No Buddhist or Taoist or Danish Lutheran would bat an eyelidn if he weree told not to ask for religious privileges or special dispensation. Are we scared by the threats and exampls of violence i the name of Islam?

Would we still tolarete its demands if it did not threaten violence?

So maany question that are the answers themselves by merely being posed.

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Reply #23 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:48pm

that's only the "strict" muslims.

a pluralist society accepts everyone. That is its strength, and weakness.

it would be hard to be intolerant to intolerance.
yes, many people are scared to say boo to a muslim, other apologetics will "defend muslims rights."

violence is only if infidels resist - entirely up to us

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Reply #24 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:11pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:48pm:

that's only the "strict" muslims.

The only ones we always hear from and about

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a pluralist society accepts everyone. That is its strength, and weakness.

It is not about rejecting people. I am not against peoplee finding solace and a way to care for their souls. It is about not affordding special privileges to the violent.

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it would be hard to be intolerant to intolerance.

How hard? Have you tried? have we tried? It's about not accepting the privileged paradigm.

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yes, many people are scared to say boo to a muslim, other apologetics will "defend muslims rights."

It's is not boo that should be said to any intolerant group exploiting the tolerance for minorities for intolerant ends. (Suggest an old Saxion exporession - two words, second word 'orf'. First correct ansswer receives a prize.)

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violence is only if infidels resist - entirely up to us

Yes, I know - " I repeatedly hit his closed fist with my nose, your honour, in an attempt to humiliate and ridicule him. I then proceeded to bleed on him. I am sorry, I apologise."

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