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Why the koran is not from allah ?
Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:48pm

"Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran.
Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies.
It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous.
Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it.
In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty. "

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

Sort of sounds like the threats we get here !!

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Why the koran is not from allah ? Reply #1 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:39pm This coming from someone whose 'holy book' has laws that demand the raped marry the rapist.. so long as he pays her father 50 shekels. What a joke.
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Reply #2 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:46pm

lol...and lets not forget this pearl of wisdom.

(Mark 16:15-18 NIV) He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. {16} Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. {17} And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; {18} they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

So according to the bible, the 'true believers' will drive out demons, speak in toungues, pick up snakes with their hands, and drink deadly poison...not to mention healing the sick.

So Sprint..have you done any of these things lately. How bout you go and drink some deadly poison...I'd like to see if you are a 'true believer'. Grin

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Reply #3 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:52pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:48pm:

"Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran.
Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies.
It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous.
Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it.
In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty. "

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

Sort of sounds like the threats we get here !!

any examples of these?

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Reply #4 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:53pm

I remember a debate between Ahmed Deedat and some Christian guy (he wasn't that memorable) in which Ahmad Deedat invited Christian believers to come up on stage and converse with him in Urdu, handle deadly vipers and drink some poison... Needless to say, not too many Christian believers were to be found in the audience that day Grin

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40749 Gender:	Re: Why the koran is not from allah ? Reply #5 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:06am yet more deflections - feel free top start your own threads or answer the questions. I ask the mod to delete the deflections.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Why the koran is not from allah ? Reply #6 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:11am Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:06am: yet more deflections - feel free top start your own threads or answer the questions. I ask the mod to delete the deflections. can you anwer my query?
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Reply #7 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:13am

Did you try that posion sprint?

Unlike the Bible, the Quran is accurate, consistent, and is a brilliant accurate insight into humanity and the soul. It flows...is both educational and inspiring...and the greatest miracle of the Quran is the Quran itself, and the fact that a man who could neither read or write recited these beautiful words is proof that it is the word of God.

Of course, I am wasting my time telling you this, given that you believe in a book that is known to be the greatest selling 'FICTION' book of all times, and that tells you that you can drink poison, speak in tongues and handle dangerous snakes.

If you would like to see innaccuracies in the Bible...look no further then your own Bible..biut of course you already know. I listed a whole page of ludicrous Bible quotes once upon a time, and being the childish git that you are, you deleted my post. Not surprsing though....you had no response so you wanted my post to disapear...and it did.

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Reply #8 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:01am

Soren wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:50am:

Lestat wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:13am:

Did you try that posion sprint?

Unlike the Bible, the Quran is accurate, consistent, and is a brilliant accurate insight into humanity and the soul. It flows...is both educational and inspiring...and the greatest miracle of the Quran is the Quran itself, and the fact that a man who could neither read or write recited these beautiful words is proof that it is the word of God.

Of course, I am wasting my time telling you this, given that you believe in a book that is known to be the greatest selling 'FICTION' book of all times, and that tells you that you can drink poison, speak in tongues and handle dangerous snakes.

If you would like to see innaccuracies in the Bible...look no further then your own Bible..biut of course you already know. I listed a whole page of ludicrous Bible quotes once upon a time, and being the childish git that you are, you deleted my post. Not surprsing though....you had no response so you wanted my post to disapear...and it did.

SO if the bible is inaccurate or wtrong that makes the Koran accurate and right?

The Koran is a turgid, unreadable mishmash. In arabic it probably sounds nice but it makes little sense. It is repetitious, and full of misunderstandings. It is a parody.

If it were so majestic and self-evidently perfect it would not require protection from criticism by the threat of death.

Have you read the Quran?

It doesn't need protection. It is protected by Allah. Your ilk have been attacking the Quran for centuries, yet it is the only scripture to have stood the test of time.

Where the Torah and Bible have been corrupted over the years by man and his misinterpretation...the Quran has remained uncorrupted, unchanged, and eternal...as promised by Allah in his holy book.

Keep trying sunshine...ultimately you will fail.

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Reply #9 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:02am

Well you know my view on both Grin

But when I looked for beautiful messages, or beautiful prose in the Koran, I could not find any that were impressive at all, and I'm damned if I am going to learn arabic to appreciate it's beauty.

I still have not seen any inspiring or beautiful stuff from the koran, despite my request for any suitable verses to be posted.

It seems to be a lot of "don't do that's", or "we will do this" sort of stuff, which is more in the bossy, bully line, than inspiring truth vein.

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Reply #10 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:04am

mozzaok wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:02am:

Well you know my view on both Grin

But when I looked for beautiful messages, or beautiful prose in the Koran, I could not find any that were impressive at all, and I'm damned if I am going to learn arabic to appreciate it's beauty.

I still have not seen any inspiring or beautiful stuff from the koran, despite my request for any suitable verses to be posted.

It seems to be a lot of "don't do that's", or "we will do this" sort of stuff, which is more in the bossy, bully line, than inspiring truth vein.

And considering that you've read neither....I'm sure you'll forgive us if we don't take your opinion to seriously.

I would of thought that for someone to critique a book...any book, the minimum requirement would be that they have at least read the book.

But eh...thats just me.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Why the koran is not from allah ? Reply #11 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:05am Good grief.. The Christian Bible makes no such claim Aboo... How many times do people need to tell you that the OLD Testament is about God and his relationship with the Jews, a historical reference.. Hence it is the Jewish Bible. The NEW Testament is about Christ and his teachings and Christianity.
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Reply #12 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:17am

The Bible is made up of both the old testament and the new testament Grendel. Why include the old testament in the 'Christian' Bible at all if all you are going to do is disregard it? Why not just include the New testament in the Bible and exclude the rest.

Its not like numerous scriptures haven't already been excluded from the Bible. The gospel of Daniel/Enoch just to name a couple. Why didn't the powers to be at the Nicea conference not exclude the old testament, when they did exclude the other texts they felt did not conform to their pagan beliefs.

Anyway, this is from the new testament. Care to comment.

Mark 16:15-18 NIV) He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. {16} Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. {17} And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; {18} they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

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Reply #13 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:28am

I'm sorry you are so ignorant Lestat.

here let me provide another quote for you...

"The Old Testament deals primarily with the relationship between God and the nation of Israel. The Pentateuch deals with the creation of Israel and God establishing a covenant relationship with Israel. The historical books record Israel's history, its victories and successes along with its defeats and failures. The poetic books give us a more intimate look at God's relationship with Israel and His passion for Israel to worship and obey Him. The prophetic books are God's call to Israel to repent from its idolatry and unfaithfulness and to return to a relationship of obedience and spiritual fidelity.<

http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-Sur...

For Christians, the New Testament (NT) is relevant.

>It is sometimes called the Greek Testament or Greek Scriptures, or the New Covenant – which is the literal translation of the original Greek. The original texts were written in Koine Greek by various authors after c. AD 45 and before c. AD 140. Its 27 books were gradually collected into a single volume over a period of several centuries. The New Testament is a central element of Christianity, and has played a major role in shaping modern Western culture....<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

Hmmm seems other people agree with me lestat.

Oh BTW many Christians just own the NT. Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:39am

Actually I have read the bible and have a fairly good understanding of it, and unlike you I don't need to use google to explain it. But thanks for trying anyway. Of course you completely failed to address any of the issues that I raised...but really that doesn't surprise me. I suspect that you don't even know what the nicea council is.

However, there were two parts to my post to you, and it appears once again you completely ignored parts you could not respond too. So I'll ask again.

No comment from this, from the New testament.

Mark 16:15-18 NIV) He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. {16} Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. {17} And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; {18} they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Any comment. Have you drank any deadly poison lately. CAn you heal the sick...speak in tongues? Are you a true believer.

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