never assume lestat...  you never mentioned me by name and your post appeared at the top of the next page...  I always start by reading the newest posts.  

YAWN

The fact you guys keep telling me I've WON and the fact that I never do is more to do with your own insecurities than anything to do with me.

Ahhh oh great know-all...  you spelt Deuteronomy incorrectly.  BTW I already explained the OT and NT relevance to Christianity.  You obviously don't get it.

I also commented on the Mark quote you hang your credibility on  

As for your ignorance of the relevance of what I said re the OT and NT and Koran...  the words of God etc...  puhlease...  your bleating and name-calling etc only shows your ignorance NOT mine.

Grendel wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 12:24pm:


lol...way to go, another post which doesn't address any of the issues asked.

Typical Grendel...can't answer questions, cant find it on google, doesn't bother answering and goes on about other crap which is really irrelevant.

Did you or did you not say the OT is not for Christians ,but for Jews. And yet two posts ago you used the OT as a reference. Obviously 'consistency' is not one of your stronger points.

Why would you attack the prophet on the basis that he was, in your own words,

"Why would He choose to enlighten your prophet in a darkened hole in the ground through a third party? "

Now given the fact that nearly all the prophets were 'enlightened' via the Angel Gabriel (a third party just in case you don't understand the concept'...why would you even make this stateement.

I see two logical conclusions.

1) You didn't know that the prophets were communicated to via the Angel Gabriel. Given you lack of knowledge this is highly possible.

2) You made the statement anyway knowing very well that nearly all the prophets who communicated to in this way, cause your to thick in the head to realise that an attack of this nature is also an attack on the prophets of the Bible.

Its a dilemna...which is it Grendal. Are you ignorant, or thick in the head.

Lestat wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 12:35pm:





Lestat,

Incorrect.



1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2  And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3  And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5  But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6  Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.


2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


The words of Jesus....

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:

and they are they which testify of me

.
40  And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Lestat,

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Didn't you know that if it's good, it's divine wisdom from the Bible, if it's bad, then the Bible is just the NT.

Aboo dont you think one totally ignorant Muslim is enough for one site?

Lestat wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 12:50pm:





All stories in the OT are recorded for our [all mankind's] instruction.


Speaking of all mankind as the 'blind and deaf', and of the children of Israel as God's witnesses [co-opted workmen]....

Isaiah 43:8
Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9  Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 44:1
Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:




The OT stories are all parables, which explore man's condition, and which explain man's relationship with God.

We are all spiritual creatures, locked within these earthen bodies, until we die.

We come here to exercise the 'power' of choice [given to each of us, by God],    ....within this physical existence.

And by our choices, we demonstrate if we have 'learned', and if we understand the consequences of our choices [in this material reality].

i.e. If we understand what is [spiritually] Good OR Evil.

The OT told , and instructed us about the inadequacy of LAWS to justify [forgive] man before God's law, i.e. the first covenant was given to demonstrate how human nature, will always tends to ignore the constraints of [spiritual] LAW.

The point of the Jewish 'appointed feasts' and sacrifices, [of which Jesus sacrifice was the culmination] is that they point to God's righteousness, and to our fate [as spiritual beings].

The new covenant revealed in the NT confirms God's righteousness, and reveals God's mercy, to those who seek him in repentance.



1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22  For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.



There,
....do you understand now?

The word yawm (which is the same word used in the Bible actually) can be used to mean a 'period' of no specific fixed length. That's why it could mean different amounts of time, which can then be specified as 1000 or 50 thousand in different cases.

Do you believe when 'yawm' is used in Genesis it refers to specific fixed times? If so, then Genesis would be a pretty mixed up account of creation.

Quote:


It says as the twinkling of an eye. ie. that is it is so easy for God to create, as easy as twinkling your eye.

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The two instances refer to different sets of things being created, so a straight comparison is not correct.

Both of them actually add up to 6 yawms, because the two and four are actually speaking about overlapping events, the creation of the earth and the filling of it with all it's contents...

I didn't know answering-islam.com was getting this desperate?