There appears to be some kind of trend for Muslims in position of authority to issue misleading press releases etc. They tend to convey messages that are likely to be misinterpretted by most westerners who take them at face value, especially if they are ignorant of Islam. These 'lies of omission' seem to be based on using using terms for their Islamic meaning when the intended audience will attach the common western meaning. It boils down to saying 'Muslims wouldn't dare to anything wrong or illegal', with the hidden meaning being that they would do things that most westerners consider wrong or illegal, but are legal under Islam, or under the interpretation of Islam used by whoever is making the statement.

I think that Islamic doctrine actually encourages the deception of non-Muslims as a core strategy.

Some examples:

Saying that killing innocent civilians is wrong - but only Muslims are innocent.

In response to a death penalty fatwa for something that would normally be protected by free spoeech, saying you do not support vigilantism - but the proper enforcement of the death penalty is not vigilantism.

Saying that Islam's goal is peace - but meaning that peace is when the whole world is subjected to Islamic law, and that non-Muslim areas are considered to be places of war until this 'peace' is achieved.

Saying you do not support pedophilia - but supporting the marriage of young girls at any age, supporting sex with girls once they hit puberty, and allowing old men to take home pre-pubescent child brides on the 'expectation' that they will do the right thing with them.

Saying that Islam is about brotherhood - but only with other Muslims.

Saying that Islam treats non-Muslims well - yet it actively discriminates against Christians and Jews so that they are forced into humiliation, so that even the most lowly Muslim will feel materially superior to them and thus not be 'tempted'. Other religions and athiests are treated even worse.

Giving examples of the situations where certain behaviours are acceptable and creating the impression that the list is exhaustive - when it isn't. For example saying that Muslims may only have for wives and that all forms of sex outside of marriage are forbidden and punished by death by stoning or whipping, but failing to mention concubinage. Or saying that certain things are only acceptable in times of war, but failuing to mention that Islam is at war until it conquers the world. Or saying that slaves can only be taken in war, but failing to mention slavery as a punishment for Dhimmis who do not behave in the appropriately humiliating way.

Where such a deception is not possible, the next best alternative appears to be changing the subject and pointing out situations where Muslims are not treated well, while ignoring the issue of whether Islamic doctrine enourages mistreatment.

Lestat don't waste your time with losers on stuff like this. No matter what they say, and no matter what you reply, they can always weasel their way out of it and claim you're using taqiyyah and lying to them. So don't beat your head against the brickwall even conversing with them on such garbage.

It's called a mirage argument. Everytime you goto answer it, it disappears, into claims you're lying to them cos they're non-muslims. Leave them to their mirage.

jordan484 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:17pm:


lol..you talking about admirable. I've seen toe rags that are more admirable then you.

Jordon....go back and crawl that rock you call your home....I'm getting sick of your hypocricy.

And stop squealing like a b(tch...your whining is making me sick..not to mention your stench.

I expanded on this topic and created an article in the wiki about it:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims

I am yet to put in any links back to this forum, but I hope to have several examples of each type of deception in action. Feel free to add any yourself (but create an account for yourself if you don't want your IP address made public). The wiki is really easy to edit. To add a link, just type in something like:

Code:

[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225178712/0#8] 

In the movie "Body Of Lies", when the CIA guy is talking to the terrorist leader, he accuses him of killing other muslims, and goes on to say how I suppose you do not consider that killing, for any muslim that dies in the cause of allah is not really dead.

I would like to know what koranic verse that relates to, because it really seems to give them open slather to kill anyone, at any time, for any reason, with religiously sanctioned impunity.

What makes me wonder about the honesty of many Islamic "instructors" is the continuing of the myth of 72 virgins (making God seem like a pimp in a celestial slut house). I'm told it derives from a mistranslation which remains largely uncorrected. I was listening to a podcast of an Israeli reporter (a Jew - can't remember his name) who regularly interviews Jihadists in the Gaza strip (having secured their trust) who, only when pushed on the subject, will reluctantly admit that the verse is a mistranslation (although apparently they still continue the myth among young Jihadists).

Yadda wrote on Oct 30^th, 2008 at 2:08pm:


No need if its a mistranslation.