I listened to it, when they translate to Arabic the first time he asks, it's not clear.

But the second time it's quite clear, he only asks "wayn al-jawarih", which doesn't include any numbers at all. wayn = where, and al-jawarih = servant girls, never heard it used for virgins, could well be.

Also these pictures look like some kids off the street, rather than leaders of a militant Islamic group. It all looks quite dodgey.

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Get your facts straight nimrod.

It was not my claim, it was the work of a scholar of ancient languages, who offered that explanation, as what he believed the original verse was referring to.
I had referenced both the site, and the article, but as you have probably deleted it anyhow, I suppose you are happy to spread misinformation.

I posted it because I thought it was funny(very), but also indicative of how messages can be distorted, which is hugely relevant to all religious proselytising.

Sure, I know I am a smart a..., and I do not hold any innate respect for religions, and show none, except in areas where they earn it, but I have proved my veracity over yours, innumerable times.

So if you want respect, show some honesty, it would be a good step in repairing some credibility for what you say.

It mentions pure mates, I don't recall any specific numbers.

So what does the Koran actually say?

The Qur'an is the word of God, most think it's the words of Muhammad (pbuh).

Via Muhammed? I also read somewhere that it wasn't written down until some time after his death, with estimates ranging from 20 years to 200. Is that true? And the hadiths were much later.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 31^st, 2008 at 8:40am:

You mean god can raise people from the dead and give sight to the blind but he can't grant temporary literacy to the illiterate?

Even Christianity grants that god is omnipotent.

Whether Mohammed himself actually wrote the words is less of an issue than the fact that as a believing Christian, Sprint, you have to accept that god can grant Mohammed the power of literacy.

I don't disagree with the assessment of inducements and threats, but I cannot understand how a christian could deride Islam for that, when christianity is the same??????

helian - oh yes, God could have well enabled mohammad to write.

I have been told by a muslim that other people wrote it.

Could Abu/lestat verify this please ?

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Some scholar... his whole argument hinged upon the definition of a similar word in another language. Nevermind the countless other verses which refer to the exact same concept but which use different terms...

Mozzaok, whilst you consider such people to be propounding authentic scholarship, all you do is bring your own intellectual integrity into question.

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This is also another obvious error. You (based on the opinion of the 'scholar') believe it hinges upon a mistranslation of a single verse. There's tens of verses (perhaps more) that refer to the concept of maidens of paradise using different terms, all of them related to the concept of maidens...

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You seem to be suffering the same delusion as a few others here, that just because you provide a link that your post somehow instantly obtains some credibility. A bogus opinion that's linked to a site is just as invalid as one not linked to a site.

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Indeed you are jack.

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And that's why your opinion is so tainted, and why you bring the most ridiculous articles to try and make your point. Just because you had a bad experience with religion as lad is not my problem. Build a bridge...

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No. You're the one seeking respect, as your lack of credibility and pathetic attempts to denigrate Islam have eroded any respect you originally had from me. I'm not interested in earning your respect, as I only garner respect from those who have basic respect for  others, and you do not. You believe religions and adherents to certain religions start at zero and must earn any bone you're going to throw them. Get a grip on yourself mozza.

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See, this is why I asked you in the other thread to give me some of your favourite teachings from Christianity, so I could have an idea of what kind of things appeal to you. However, out of your excessive arrogance you believe that what appeals to you about religions is universal, and everyone should automatically know, because everyone must naturally have the same taste as you.

So prostitutes are what appeals to you. Ok, here's one:

"A prostitute from the Bani-Israil was thirsty, she went to get water, and when she drank the water she saw a dog thirsty just like her. A prostitute, she climbed in the well and took off her shoe and put water in the shoe, put it in her mouth and climbed out of the well. And gave water to the dog and the Prophet (pbuh) said because of that act Allah forgave her her sin"

Now obviously I don't think that's going to suffice, as I think your hatred towards Islam would not permit you to accept anything from Islam anyway. You must find fault in all things Islamic.

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I gave you sayings like "A kind word is charity" or "Nobody truly believes till he loves for his brother what he loves for himself". Many non-Muslims have singled out these quotes in particular as being very beautiful and wise and kind teachings of Muhammad (pbuh) but it's no surprise you still had to criticise them as being "dogmatic" (amongst other things). You wouldn't know what dogma was even if it took a bite out of your posterior, because your head is so jam packed full of anti-Islamic bias.

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It's not that you've been given nothing, nothing will suffice for you mozzaok.