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Reply #60 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 12:36pm

I've pointed this out to you on more than one occasion, Jewish law (Halacha) also has the same. Or how about Hindu law, where a widow must be burnt alive on her husband's funeral pyre when he dies? Your idea that Islam is the only religion which has laws (involving capital punishment) is just ridiculous, most religions do!

This is what I actually said Abu:

It doubles as a political and legal system. With other religions, specific guidance on a punishment for a crime is the exception, rather than the norm.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40681 Gender:	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #61 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 12:46pm Abu - hahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahaha
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Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims
Reply #62 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 1:36pm

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So effectively, christians who complain about Islam, are saying that Islam is bad because they still believe what is in their holy book, and we have decided to just pick out the bits that we find inspiring and relative in a modern world, from ours.

Finally some sense comes out of mozzas mouth, if only to just condemn another religion.

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It doubles as a political and legal system.

Yes, and as does Jewish Halacha law. Please go and do some study, instead of just conveniently throwing Islam around. Your initial statement is just farsical and mimics a comical post made recently by sprint, in which he claimed all religions are benign spiritual teachings, except Islam...

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40681 Gender:	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #63 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 1:41pm yes biasedAbu - as long as mozzaok is not questioning YOUR beliefs, he says some sense. feel free to find and repost where I said that.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #64 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 1:45pm Is Jewish Halacha law the same thing as Judaism?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #65 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:00pm Halacha is to Judaism what Shari'ah is to Islam. It is their system of laws and governance based on their texts, the Torah and the Talmud.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #66 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:00pm one of the major things that concerns me about the death penalty is human error. many people have been killed 'legally' and then later been exonerated, or have been sitting on death row and have been found innocent. what are the requirements of islamic law to prevent such injustices occurring?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #67 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:11pm One of the first requirements is that there must be at least 4 eye witnesses to the actual act.
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Reply #68 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:12pm

Thanks Abu, but if I want to find out about Judaism, I think I'll ask a Jew. I have heard from other sources also that Islam and Judaism are fairly close, compared to say, Christianity. Yet Jews seem to adopt the same basic values, like personal freedom, democracy, freedom of religion, freedom of speech etc. If anything they seem more progressive than most westerners, though that may be a relfection of modern history. At the very least, I don't see them blowing up each other's synagogues, I don't see them sending suicide bombers in to kill elected officials. I don't see them blaming the west for all their problems. Judaism does not seem a threat to civilised society.

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Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims
Reply #69 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:24pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:11pm:

One of the first requirements is that there must be at least 4 eye witnesses to the actual act.

Yep, this is correct abu.

There must be at least 4 male eye witnesses to these crimes.

When a woman is being raped too, at least 4 male eye witnesses are required [by the victim].

For her appearance before a Sharia court [as an accused], 4 male eye witnesses are required, to confirm that she was not just having a 'good time', and was in fact being RAPED.

15 September 2006
Pakistan's rape reform woes
Pakistan's government has put a controversial women's rights bill on hold, throwing into turmoil efforts to reform hardline Islamic laws on rape.
In Pakistan, rape is dealt with under Islamic laws known as the Hudood Ordinances. These criminalise all sex outside marriage.
So, under Hudood, if a rape victim fails to present four male witnesses to the crime, she herself could face punishment.
This has made it almost impossible to prosecute rape cases.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5346968.stm

Google,
hudood laws
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=hudood+laws&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 40681 Gender:	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #70 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:32pm Quote: One of the first requirements is that there must be at least 4 eye witnesses to the actual act. yes, which in a male dominated society is almost impossible. where would a female get 4 male eyewitnesses to testify she was raped ?? how disgustingly biased
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #71 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:57pm freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:12pm: Thanks Abu, but if I want to find out about Judaism, I think I'll ask a Jew. you asked him!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #72 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 2:59pm Yeah sorry about that. It was pretty silly of me. Odd that he is so much more forthcoming with answers about Judaism.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #73 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 3:02pm "But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)" an-Nur (The Light) 24:33
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Islam and lying to non-Muslims Reply #74 - Oct 31^st, 2008 at 3:03pm If he is so forgiving and merciful, why does he have his followers stone them to death?
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