Ok FD...  it's time you reigned in the Muslims here.  I don't mind debate but this heavy handed crap from someone who is supposed to be an even-handed moderator is rubbish.

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Problem being I was discussing and debating...  unlike aboo.  Perhaps the point was some people were agreeing with me.

Where was his problem...  on the Muslim clerics topic.
Be quick b4 he deletes everything.

Yes he has deleted a few of mine there today, it must be tough trying to be consistent, when you are on such shaky ground.

He deleted my lemur , when I thought I had finally found a muslim cleric(Ulema)

I am over it, , and my one hope is that ordinary muslims do not practice it like the extremists do.

wasn't about personal abuse

was about reality and facts... 

and yes that's all lestat does.

Yes well this latest affront is the last nail in the muslim coffin for me.
All they've done here is manage to convince me that so-called Moderate Muslims are dishonest and can't be trusted.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 11:44am:



Waddaya know - I had a couple of deletions and a threatening PM!

abu_rashid wrote on Yesterday at 4:12pm:
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The offesive post in the 'Koran is not from Allah' thread:

The Koran is a turgid, repetitive parody of old and new testament writing.

It is always defended with reference to these two other books, never on its own merit.

Despite its often repeated beauty and unsurpassed grandeur, criticism of it carries the death penalty.

And criticisms like this are deleted from the forum, as were my earlier comments today.

I continue to find it ridiculous that people will base their view of a religion upon one muslim person and their moderating habits on the internet- but hey, whatever you reckon.

as for this thread- I don't know why this is in the extremism forum as it essentially is a complaint about the islam forum and should be directed to the feedback board. not to mention the numerous threads that already exist criticising abu and his modding methods that could have been utilised. so it shall be moved.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 2:07pm:


that is incredibly pathetic reasoning

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 3:09pm:


do you really need me to break down for you the reasons why taking 3 people as representative of millions is pathetic?

do you really need me to point out that when someone is constantly attacked and denigrated and their religion disrespected and the rules of their forum broken that it is only logical that they will not at all times portray saint like qualities? and that broken rules end up in the punishments already set out, such as moddings, deletions, warnings and eventually bannings?

do you really need me to explain to you that even if someone claims to be representative of the people of their religion or the religion itself that that does not automatically mean that they will be a good representation of those things? so even if you interpret abu as being a bad representation that this does not determine the nature of Islam or other muslims?

certainly we all have faults sprint- but it seems to me that the continual attack upon abu's character and modding behaviour stems more from basic bigotry, a sense of pride, arrogance, and self-importance than any actual breach of human rights. people cannot seem to deal with their words being deleted because they view themselves and their views as so precious that to delete them is some sort of affront to the basic principles of free speech. rather than it being a direct consequence of a lack of respect for other people, for Islam and for the rules of the forum.

people seem to view any form of vitriole and abuse being tolerated as an exemplary form of the virtues of free speech, completely ignoring the fact that there is such a thing as an abuse of rights which does not necessarily equate to an oppression of them- rather an exploitation.

perhaps if people concerned themselves more with their own behaviour and their own attitudes they would see an improvement in the behaviour of those around them.