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right of appeal
Oct 29^th, 2008 at 11:19am

I would like to see all posts deleted by mods moved to an area so that they can be appealed by the poster to be reinstated.

The Islamic forum moderators here have a habit of deleting anything they want even if it is fair debate and facts.

This can not be allowed to continue.

Either they be removed from moderation or we be given the right of appeal and our posts saved until the appeal is held.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49228 At my desk.	Re: right of appeal Reply #1 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 11:52am Sorry Grendel, there is no right of appeal. If you are concerned your post may be unjustly deleted, save yourself a copy.
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Reply #2 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 1:12pm

It'ld be too much work, grendel.
Things are normally fine, normally there are very few deletions.
And then it is very just.
Aside from the islam forum, no need for it.

really, they've been a good education for us.
There is freedom of speech there, long is it is what they want.

Same attitude as in other islam forums I have been in.
They must be all infected with the same disease.

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Reply #3 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 4:19pm

Word of advice, if you would like to discuss Islam freely, post it in the...
A) Extremism exposed board.
B) Multiculturalism and race board (Providing of course you link it to one of those topics).

I don't know why everyones wasting their time trying to discuss Islam openly with a Muslim anyway (Let alone a forum moderated by one). It's not exactly going to be a constructive conversation.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49228 At my desk.	Re: right of appeal Reply #4 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 4:23pm I have learned a lot about Islam from that board.
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Reply #5 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 4:24pm

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 4:19pm:

Word of advice, if you would like to discuss Islam freely, post it in the...
A) Extremism exposed board.
B) Multiculturalism and race board (Providing of course you link it to one of those topics).

I don't know why everyones wasting their time trying to discuss Islam openly with a Muslim anyway (Let alone a forum moderated by one). It's not exactly going to be a constructive conversation.

anyone is welcome to discuss islam in extremism exposed as long as it is done respectfully

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Reply #6 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 6:07pm

Gaybriel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 4:24pm:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 4:19pm:

Word of advice, if you would like to discuss Islam freely, post it in the...
A) Extremism exposed board.
B) Multiculturalism and race board (Providing of course you link it to one of those topics).

I don't know why everyones wasting their time trying to discuss Islam openly with a Muslim anyway (Let alone a forum moderated by one). It's not exactly going to be a constructive conversation.

anyone is welcome to discuss islam in extremism exposed as long as it is done respectfully

And anyone is welcome to discuss Islam in the multiculturalism and race board so long as it relates to multiculturalism or race in some way. As an added bonus, you can be abusive as you like towards Islam, regardless of how much Muslims complain about it (You however cannot be personally abusive towards other members as individuals as outlined in FD's manifesto).

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I have learned a lot about Islam from that board.

Indeedy. I'm actually quite impressed, FD. You're often being highly critical of Islam and its practices regardless of your pro-multicult and anti-wacist tendencies.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: right of appeal Reply #7 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 8:45pm gaybriel - what a load of rot. Donald - sounds like a fair invitation
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: right of appeal Reply #8 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:05pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 8:45pm: gaybriel - what a load of rot. Donald - sounds like a fair invitation really? what have I deleted or modded in the forum except for personal attacks or disrespectful remarks from muslims and non-muslims alike?
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Reply #9 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:31pm

gaybriel - what a load of rot. (translation: I'm not free to openly attack and disparage Islam, so it's not much of an invitation)

Donald - sounds like a fair invitation (translation: Ah one of my fellow anti-Islamic racist mates will let me come over and openly bag Islam there)

Just speak openly and honestly here sprint, you're amongst friends. No need to hide your intentions.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: right of appeal Reply #10 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 10:06pm gaybriel - it is rot to deal with extreme people in "moderation and respectfully." They'll totally ignore and run over you. Abu - that's the aussie way. Everything's open to being bagged.
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Reply #11 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 10:08pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:31pm:

gaybriel - what a load of rot. (translation: I'm not free to openly attack and disparage Islam, so it's not much of an invitation)

Donald - sounds like a fair invitation (translation: Ah one of my fellow anti-Islamic racist mates will let me come over and openly bag Islam there)

Just speak openly and honestly here sprint, you're amongst friends. No need to hide your intentions.

You're a wacist! (Translation: Oh sh1t! They're onto us. Let's call them wacists even though Islam is a religion so they get a false sense of guilt. Maybe then they'll shut up. In the meantime, suckers like Gabriel will back us up. Even though it's quite clear that if Gabriel ever lived among Muslims she would be thoroughly opposed to Islam since the lifestyle she enjoys now would be lost, as she would cooped up in a kitchen all day, massaging her husbands feet and singing his praises.)

Sprint may be anti-Islamic, Abu. But I'm pretty sure he's not wacist like myself.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49228 At my desk.	Re: right of appeal Reply #12 - Oct 30^th, 2008 at 10:06am DT I'm not actually directly criticial of Islam very often. I mostly just try to find out the 'inconvenient' truths. Revelation seems to be more than enough.
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Reply #13 - Oct 30^th, 2008 at 11:07am

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anyone is welcome to discuss islam in extremism exposed as long as it is done respectfully

Big problem Gaybriel, respect needs to be earned, and Islam is doing it's absolute best, to make sure that does not happen.

If you want an example of systemic bigotry, sexism and racism, check out the koran.

As long as we have extremists choosing to interpret the incomprehensible mish mash of competing ideals presented under Islam, as the perfect truth, in 'whatever way we want to interpret it on the day', then we will see conflict with people who do not like oppression and violence, 'unless you do it our way', messages from Islamic spokespeople, which are notoriously hard to categorise, as every second nutjob claims to be a mullah or mufti.

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Reply #14 - Oct 30^th, 2008 at 8:27pm

mozzaok wrote on Oct 30^th, 2008 at 11:07am:

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anyone is welcome to discuss islam in extremism exposed as long as it is done respectfully

Big problem Gaybriel, respect needs to be earned, and Islam is doing it's absolute best, to make sure that does not happen.

If you want an example of systemic bigotry, sexism and racism, check out the koran.

As long as we have extremists choosing to interpret the incomprehensible mish mash of competing ideals presented under Islam, as the perfect truth, in 'whatever way we want to interpret it on the day', then we will see conflict with people who do not like oppression and violence, 'unless you do it our way', messages from Islamic spokespeople, which are notoriously hard to categorise, as every second nutjob claims to be a mullah or mufti.

respect as in common manners and etiquette. is it too much to ask?

sometimes I really wonder about people

I mean- if you're going to talk to someone with disrespect, unless they're mother theresa- how do you expect to have a constructive conversation in the first place?

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