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Re: right of appeal
Reply #45 - Nov 3rd, 2008 at 7:39pm
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 5:53pm:
easel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 6:12am:
I'm telling you she's not a Muslim.


I'm actually starting to have my suspicions.


It doesn't really matter, a discussion should be centered on a message not on the messenger, otherwise it would deteriorate into banana tossing competition.
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Reply #46 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:18pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 7:39pm:
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 5:53pm:
easel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 6:12am:
I'm telling you she's not a Muslim.


I'm actually starting to have my suspicions.


It doesn't really matter, a discussion should be centered on a message not on the messenger, otherwise it would deteriorate into banana tossing competition.


It's important to me because I want to know if I'm wasting my time debating about certain topics involving Islam with her or not. In a topic about Islam, a Muslim will never give up and even lie about it to win the debate, whereas with a non-Muslim, even a bigoted anti-racist, there's a small, yet possible chance you can reason with them and have a meaningful discussion and draw some conclusions.

I'm not a big fan of topics going for 100 posts, and it will occur if I'm debating a Muslim and I don't know it. I'll just merrily continue the topic with the impossible hope of reasoning with a Muslim about certain topics involving Islam.
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Reply #47 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:23pm
 

donald - what  ?
Are you saying the average muslim is SO extremely prejudiced toward their oppressive murderous cult with the sex-addicted  paedophillic leader they will NEVER see anything wrong with it ?

funny, that's been my experience also.
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Reply #48 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:43pm
 
So much to reply to!
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People also use the word, quite effectively I might add, to end a discussion because the amount of people that will run away. I'm not a racist or a runner.

As I have said in a previous post, phobias are irrational fears. The fact that an identifiable political/religious movement has a rational identifiable goal means that opposing that goal can also be rational. A healthy dialogue should allow witnesses to the conversation to check of a list of competing interests and see what suits them.


I agree- many people cry ‘wolf’ about racism. It’s very frustrating and inhibits constructive conversation.

I can be guilty of this myself but I do try not to have a reflex reaction to things- I’m not always successful. Luckily I have people around me to give me perspective as well.


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You don't even hear how ridiculous this statement is.

Exposing extremism in and of Islam with respect?  Respect for what? Exposing a religion avowedly committed to re=primitivising the world with respect?

Can we now be openly antagonistic, suspicious, outraged, and hostile towards our own culture only? The 'cultural other', no matter how barbaric,  is to be respected?

How bizarre it would be if we demanded that muslims speak of western, lliberal, Australian culture only with respect. Yet few dare to bat an eyelid when faced with such outlandish and ridiculous demands by muslims.

Respect must be earned. That is the only way it is respect. Otherwwise it is submission (oops).


Respect for other posters and for other human beings. You can show outrage and dislike etc without being nasty or degrading about it. I’m sure you’ll disagree- but to be honest it’s just a way of keeping things constructive. Throwing around insults, being nasty etc does little towards contributing to discussion.

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ask them about praising their paedophile prophet then.

why not, too scared ??


I have asked

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And I have trouble believing that you are not a muslim GAYBRIEL, WHO JUST THINKS THAT LYING WILL MAKE YOU SEEM MORE CREDIBLE.

So, where do we stand?


If I were muslim I wouldn’t hide it- because I wouldn’t consider it to be something that discredits me.

As for my personal beliefs – I believe in God but I don’t belong to a particular religion. I was bapitsed catholic and went to an Anglican school

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I have never seen a comment critical of any aspect of Islam from any of them.


You have seen them from me if you care to look.

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So to focus on sprint's frustration, without examining how he came to that point, is demonstrative of your unfairness in judging him, as you challenge others for judging Islam.


I focus upon sprint’s frustration because he created this thread. I have also made a few comments to Abu about his attitude and also to Lestat- I can’t remember if I went into detail with them- but they did not create a topic complaining about others.

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No?
then she's an apologist/collaborator/moderator...... etc, etc, etc

Were we officially told she was found acceptable by the Muslims here to mod the islam forum?  Did I miss that?


Again- not a muslim.

Are you officially told when people are made moderators in other forums?

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Whatever she is, I think it's daft she's the mod in the Islam and Extremism forums. I think she's far too sympathetic to Islam to be a good mod in the extremism forum, it should go to someone else. She would be ok for the Islam forum, being the muslim sympathiser.


A few people have said such things yet fail to provide examples of poor modding.

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nah, garbriel is not a muslim.   That should make no difference anyway

imho she feels there is an unjust biased agaisnt islam in here.  By "siding" with the inderdog that evens it up a bit.
I also have tried to ...... elicit nice comments from Abu from the koran.

gaybriel wants to be overly fair. Wonder if she is a librian ?


Good on you gaybriel, though we disagree on some things, I agree with your ethics.


Lol- not a librarian! That would be fun though- surrounded by all the books. Mind you I probably wouldn’t do any actual work- just bury myself in a corner somewhere and read Tongue
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Reply #49 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:50pm
 
I have seen Gaybriel post what could be criticism of Islam - usually qualified with 'if that were true'.
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Reply #50 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:50pm
 
I was told when you were made mod of the Extremism forum gaybriel.

I'd like to see a list of your Muslim critical comments...  In fact I'd suspect if you tallied up the pro and con ones I'd expect the pro to outnumber the cons by at least 20 to 1.
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Reply #51 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:54pm
 
Do let us know when you're done Grendel.

Goodnight.
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Reply #52 - Nov 5th, 2008 at 4:59am
 
Why did the blonde jump off the cliff?

She thought Libra wings could fly.

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Reply #53 - Nov 5th, 2008 at 11:39am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 10:50pm:
I was told when you were made mod of the Extremism forum gaybriel.

I'd like to see a list of your Muslim critical comments...  In fact I'd suspect if you tallied up the pro and con ones I'd expect the pro to outnumber the cons by at least 20 to 1.


well then I suggest you complain to the person who failed to tell you this time

I'm going to post a list- people can just look through my posts. I never said I was more critical than supportive- I just pointed out that, contrary to some claims, I have been critical of islam and muslims
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