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What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims?
Oct 30^th, 2008 at 11:22am

Within ISLAM, and for a devout muslim all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia.

What does Sharia permit?

If you wish to know what those things are, you could study the Koran, and the Hadith.

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/001.qmt.html#001.001

But if you don't have the time to delve deeply into those books,
.....then study the life of Muhammad [there are many sources on the net].

Basically, if Muhammad did some action, those very actions are permitted, and are now held up as "....a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah".

The Koran states...... that Mohammed's life is a wonderful example, for all muslims to follow.

Koran....

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021

Hadith....

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.0...

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Islam 101
.....In Islam, Muhammad is considered al-insan al-kamil (the "ideal man"). Muhammad is in no way considered divine, nor is he worshipped (no image of Muhammad is permitted lest it encourage idolatry), but he is the model par excellence for all Muslims in how they should conduct themselves.
.....Because Muhammad is himself the measuring stick of morality, his actions are not judged according to an independent moral standard but rather establish what the standard for Muslims properly is.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/

A list of some not so nice actions, permitted because Muhammad did them first....

What Would Muhammad Do?
(a checklist)
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm

Google,
the life of muhammad terror unbelievers
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=the+life+of+muhammad+terror+unbelievers&...

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Luke 16:31

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40774 Gender:	Re: What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims? Reply #1 - Oct 30^th, 2008 at 11:43am What an example. behead infidels by the hundreds, marry a child, have about 10 wifes and many sex slaves.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims? Reply #2 - Oct 30^th, 2008 at 11:24pm Just admit it, as a poor sex deprived Christian, you're jealous.
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Me New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7	Re: What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims? Reply #3 - Nov 2^nd, 2008 at 8:05pm LMAO good response mate,
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40774 Gender:	Re: What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims? Reply #4 - Nov 2^nd, 2008 at 8:27pm I see multiple wifes as being sexist, unspiritual and unjust.
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Re: What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims?
Reply #5 - Nov 2^nd, 2008 at 11:38pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2008 at 8:27pm:

I see multiple wifes as being sexist, unspiritual and unjust.

I dislike it also. the wisdom at the time was that it was put in place to help women who were widowed, or disabled etc- those who may not make a union with another person, or didn't want to, but as in those times women were not equal participants in society they could not fend for themselves- so it was a way of protection.

especially in times of war- many women were widowed etc- it was to try and avoid having women in positions of poverty, women who might need to turn to things like prostitution etc in order to survive- all that kind of stuff

I think there may also have been something about if there was a greater female to male ratio

a man is also not supposed to be able to take more than one wife unless they can sufficiently take care of each- financially and otherwise. and the first wife can stipulate in her wedding contract whether she would be agreeable to him taking more wives. islamically it is her right to divorce him if he wishes to marry again and she does not wish him to.

is the wisdom behind multiple marriages applicable now? I dont know- I don't think so.

I also thnk that the original intent behind multiple marriages has the capacity to be forgotten- and that it would be manipulated for the benefit of the husband. in other words I think the intentions can be less than pure.

not just sex wise- but just generally

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Reply #6 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 7:33am

You speak of the "original" intention of the multi wife thang[sic] as if you have some actual knowledge of it, rather than that you have just accepted at face value, the line of bull justification served up by Islam apologists.

Now I don't know how it originated, but the behaviour of the cult's leader, and originator may be more likely to influence my beliefs on what was behind this sexist ruling, than some after thought idea of "welfare" with benefits, that we hear proclaimed today.

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Re: What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims?
Reply #7 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 4:14pm

mozzaok wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 7:33am:

You speak of the "original" intention of the multi wife thang[sic] as if you have some actual knowledge of it, rather than that you have just accepted at face value, the line of bull justification served up by Islam apologists.

Now I don't know how it originated, but the behaviour of the cult's leader, and originator may be more likely to influence my beliefs on what was behind this sexist ruling, than some after thought idea of "welfare" with benefits, that we hear proclaimed today.

you know nothing of my background or education and yet you assume these are facts I have just taken at face value? and then you admit you yourself do not know why.

I was merely providing what I believe was considered to be the wisdom at the time

instead of attacking me personally- why don't you provide an alternative argument. oh right, you can't because you're going off gut instinct instead of actual knowledge.

yet you accuse me of having taken something at face value.

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