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Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:32am
 
...in Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Pre-islam etc

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:x8-MtbRX9ggJ:www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning4.htm+punishment+for+prostitution+in+islam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au
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Reply #1 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:39am
 
nah - that's cheating.

cant put up JUST links - HAVE to summarise it yourself.
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Reply #2 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:40am
 
http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Adultery: The [Islamic] penalty for adultery (extramarital sex) is death by stoning. Only the married participants are stoned to death. The penalty of death by stoning also applies to prostitution, incest and female genital mutilation (except for circumcision - see below).

Why are they using an IP address in the URL instead of the domain?
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Reply #3 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:46am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:39am:
nah - that's cheating.

cant put up JUST links - HAVE to summarise it yourself.


looool- no way man! who has that kind of time?!
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Reply #4 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:46am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:40am:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

Adultery: The [Islamic] penalty for adultery (extramarital sex) is death by stoning. Only the married participants are stoned to death. The penalty of death by stoning also applies to prostitution, incest and female genital mutilation (except for circumcision - see below).

Why are they using an IP address in the URL instead of the domain?


I barely know what that means so unfortunately I can't help you!
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Reply #5 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:51am
 
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:x8-MtbRX9ggJ:www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning4.htm+punishment+for+prostitution+in+islam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au
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Reply #6 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:52am
 
freediver,

The correct address is http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning4.htm

It just appears to be linked to from some search engine results, which have an unresolvable ip.
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Reply #7 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 12:03pm
 
From the Hadith....

The Book Pertaining to Punishments Prescribed by Islam
Chapter 5: HE WHO CONFESSES HIS GUILT OF ADULTERY

".....go to this woman in the morning, and if she makes a confession, then stone her.....and she was stoned to death."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/017.smt.html#017.42...



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Done....
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/001.qmt.html#001.001



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Consider....

In the name of ISLAM, and Allah, Muhammad, himself, killed many hundreds of ppl [this is historical fact, confirmed by ISLAMIC texts].



In the name of God, it is recorded that Jesus killed no-one [not one single person], but rather Jesus healed the sick, and brought the dead back to life.

And what did Jesus *do*, when his adversaries brought an adulterous woman to him, for judgement?

John 8:3
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8  And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9  And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10  When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11  She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12  Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #8 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 12:24pm
 

yadda - I heard an interesting insight into the story of the adulterous woman.

There was no man to be stoned with her. Under the jew law, the man and woman are to be stoned.
There was no guilty man there to be stoned also.
It was most likely a kangaroo court, set up by the pharisees to test Jesus. They tested him a lot.

He saved the woman by proving they are sinners too. Therefore no better.
What he was writing in the sand was the sin of every pharisee as he came forward to cast the first stone.

No wonder they did not like him.



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Reply #9 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 12:42pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 12:24pm:
yadda - I heard an interesting insight into the story of the adulterous woman.

There was no man to be stoned with her. Under the jew law, the man and woman are to be stoned.
There was no guilty man there to be stoned also.
It was most likely a kangaroo court, set up by the pharisees to test Jesus. They tested him a lot.

He saved the woman by proving they are sinners too. Therefore no better.
What he was writing in the sand was the sin of every pharisee as he came forward to cast the first stone.

No wonder they did not like him.






Wow!

Good anecdote sprint.

This line sent a shiver down my spine.....

".......What he was writing in the sand was the sin of every pharisee as he came forward to cast the first stone."





Paul said it well,

We are all condemned, we all have the same nature.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;



Even when we see it [our nature], we are often powerless to overcome.

We wish to do the good, but we often fail.

Romans 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19  For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20  Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21  I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22  For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.






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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #10 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 12:57pm
 
Abu can you please clarify that the punishment in Islamic law for adultery is death by stoning? I haven't check out the link, but Gaybriel seems to think it contradicts the wiki.
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Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 1:21pm
 
well some say 100 lashes

some say stoning

did anyone notice the bit where the torah says that if a man rapes a woman he must her father 50 shekhels and marry her?

wth is that
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Reply #12 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 1:24pm
 
The punishment of death by stoning applies to the married participants. The unmarried ones get 100 lashes.
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Reply #13 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 2:17pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:46am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 31st, 2008 at 11:39am:
nah - that's cheating.

cant put up JUST links - HAVE to summarise it yourself.


looool- no way man! who has that kind of time?!


Summaries are nice. I don't really have time to read it properly.

Could your point and potential summary be " Many religions behave appallingly therefore oppose and undermine appalling behaviour in all religions. "
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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 2:33pm
 
If you can't be botheres putting up a summary, don't expect anyone else to be bothered reading your link.
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