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Is Islam a Religion?
Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:12pm
 
Many think that Islam actually is not a religion because it is so too pragmatic, secular and surreal. For example Buddhism is not a religion because can not and does not answer the question: “ Is there anything beyond happiness”. The answers that Islam gives on the same question are so primitive that looks like children’s game.
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Re: Is Islam a Religion?
Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:20pm
 
I think it differs most from what we typically think of as a religion in that it doubles as a system of law and government.
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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:32pm
 

It's the most extreme religion I know of.
VERY legalistically controlling, it offers very few freedoms at all.
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Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:42pm
 
ISLAM is not a religion, in the sense that Westerners understand the word 'religion'.

ISLAM is a ruthless, 'mono-cultural' political system.





Is Islam a Religion?

ASK YOURSELF...

Why is it that the Lovers Of Sharia [LOS] will embrace multiculturalism,
.....in non-ISLAMIC countries?

BUT, WHY IS IT..... that in ISLAMIC countries, like, Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, LOS always seem to *expunge* all the 'multicultural rights' of all other cultural groups???

And don't let the LOS mislead you,
....this *oppression* of non-LOS, by LOS [in *their own* jurisdictions], is all *sanctioned by Sharia* [their laws], and ISLAMIC religious texts.

LOS are taught by their own 'religion', that all non-LOS people, are inferior to LOS.

And they are taught that it is against Allah's law, and a great sin against LOS, for non-LOS people to govern, and make LOS subject to secular laws.



And i am always amazed that so few Aussies question this reality [the political realities within Sharia jurisdictions].

And that so few Aussies are prepared to challenge the absolute duplicity, of those LOS who reside in Australia, in *misrepresenting* ISLAM, as a [peaceful] culture.



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JAHILIYYA  [un-ISLAMIC lifestyle]

ISLAM in its 'religious' doctrines, demands intolerance of 'unbelief', and the Jahiliyya lifestyle.



FROM AN ISLAMIC SITE,

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE"
"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya
which are current in the world
or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

by SAYYID QUTB
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html


"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

Did you get that?

What it means, is that ISLAM has determined, that ISLAM cannot [effectively] exist without muslims having, and imposing the authority of Sharia law - upon all [both muslims, and non-muslims].

All non-muslims must be brought under the authority of muslims, and Sharia.

This is ISLAMIC doctrine.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:59pm
 
We've had "Is atheism a religion?", and "Is Islam a religion?". Maybe the next thread we need to start with a rhetorical question should be "Is the Pope Catholic?"

I'm sure you'll get somebody arguing that he isn't.
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Reply #5 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:03pm
 
ISLAM and its laws, are all about the direction of secular, raw *political* power.


On any reasonable appraisal of what ISLAM is, its doctrines, ISLAM is clearly a fascist political philosophy,
....and not a religion.


ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT THE PASSIVE *WORSHIP*, OF A SUPREME BEING.
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Reply #6 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:09pm
 
The second biggest religion in the world is not a religion, therefore 1=0.

Since 1=0, adding 1 to each side of the equation, we get:

2=1

The set of people comprising the Pope and myself make up 2, but since 2=1, that means that .......

I am the Pope.   Cheesy
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Reply #7 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:17pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:09pm:
The second biggest religion in the world is not a religion, therefore 1=0.

Since 1=0, adding 1 to each side of the equation, we get:

2=1

The set of people comprising the Pope and myself make up 2, but since 2=1, that means that .......

I am the Pope.   Cheesy




muso,


As i observed in another thread....

BLACK IS WHITE, AND WHITE IS BLACK.

UP IS DOWN, AND DOWN IS UP.



All hail pope muso.

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Re: Is Islam a Religion?
Reply #8 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:25pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:59pm:
We've had "Is atheism a religion?", and "Is Islam a religion?". Maybe the next thread we need to start with a rhetorical question should be "Is the Pope Catholic?"

I'm sure you'll get somebody arguing that he isn't.  


Pope is atheist but doesn't admit that.

Since Muso fessed to be a Pope it would be fair to ask him ...does he wax his crotch or shaves it?



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Reply #9 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:40pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:59pm:
We've had "Is atheism a religion?", and "Is Islam a religion?". Maybe the next thread we need to start with a rhetorical question should be "Is the Pope Catholic?"

I'm sure you'll get somebody arguing that he isn't.  


For sure he is a Catholic but not a Christian.
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Reply #10 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:03pm:
......ISLAM is clearly a fascist political philosophy,




Pursuing this thought a little further....


Fascism

In an article in the 1932 Encyclopedia Italiana, written by Giovanni Gentile and attributed to Benito Mussolini, Fascism is described as a system, founded by Benito Mussolini on March 23, 1919, in which
"The State not only is the authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also the power which makes its will prevail abroad.... For the Fascist, everything is within the State and . . . neither individuals nor groups are outside the State.... For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative...." This is the basic principle of Fascism. In Fascism, it's all about "the state."

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/comments/53281


N.B. the words....

"......For the Fascist, everything is within the State."


For the muslim, everything is within ISLAM.




This very concise description of Fascism, used above, was once at wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism

It has gone from wiki, been changed.


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Reply #11 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:59pm
 
athos wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:40pm:
muso wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:59pm:
We've had "Is atheism a religion?", and "Is Islam a religion?". Maybe the next thread we need to start with a rhetorical question should be "Is the Pope Catholic?"

I'm sure you'll get somebody arguing that he isn't.  


For sure he is a Catholic but not a Christian.


But let's keep on topic - Is Christianity a religion?

By this definition: "a set of beliefs and practices organized around supernatural and moral claims, and codified as prayer, ritual, and religious law"

Well - Christianity is a diverse set of practices and beliefs, not all of which are consistent, and each denomination think every other denomination is going to hell.

Even Synod Lutherans think that Lutherans are going to hell.

Christianity is rather a diverse collection of religions.

Right, so in summary,  Islam is not a religion, Christianity is not a religion, Atheism is a religion, and I'm the Pope.  Grin

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Reply #12 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:00pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:25pm:
[quote author=muso link=1225764745/0#4 date=1225767598]We've had "Is atheism a religion?", and "Is Islam a religion?". Maybe the next thread we need to start with a rhetorical question should be "Is the Pope Catholic?"

I'm sure you'll get somebody arguing that he isn't.  





Ok lets summarise.

If we apply logical Aristotles (favourite Islamic philosopher) logichal method of thinking called syllogism ( two statements one conclusion ) then we have:

Statement 1:
Islam is about Jihad.

Statement 2:
Jihad is about concurring and eliminating others (Infidels) by all means.

Conclusion:
Islam is about coquering and eliminating others (Infidels) by all means.

Howe they achieve that?
In earlier days when they were powerful (Othman empire) by wars and ethnic cleansing.
Today by using women as birth factories (sex slaves) and producing as many as possible children, potential martyrs (Average Muslim family in Australia has 14 children ).
For example they make 30 children and sacrifice 27 of them as martyrs (suicidal bombers ).
Is it religion and what does it have to do with religion and spirituality???


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Reply #13 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:10pm
 
athos wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:00pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 1:25pm:
atheism is a religion

Howe they achieve that?


They vote Obama in.
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Reply #14 - Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:15pm
 
athos wrote on Nov 4th, 2008 at 2:00pm:
Is [ISLAM a] religion and what does [ISLAM] have to do with religion and spirituality???




In my opinion, not a lot.

ISLAM is secular, it seeks secular powers [in this world], and influence [in this world].




God knows what he is doing.

Yadda doesn't [.......know what God is doing].

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But i trust God.
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