Thats just it FD, you don't even acknowledge that their is a problem.

Yes I do. Why do you think I've been suggesting that Muslims reign in their own lunatics rather than leaving it to foreign armies? It's not just to save us money.

You continuously defend the murder of muslim citizens as 'it is war'

It's not murder in a war, by definition.

yet when the very same extremists who the west are apparently at war with commit an attrocitiy, you expect us to 'reign in our extremists'.

Of course I do. I think it even is in 'your' own interest to do so. Which is why I can't get my head around your objection to it. Why on earth would anyone object to reigning in terrorists and preventing wars? The only answer I can think of is someone who actually wants a war. BTW it is a bit unnevering to discuss this in terms of 'you' and 'us' with a fellow Australian citizen.

Why don't you reign in your extremists.

I do. I can't remember the last time an Australian blew up a nightclub or something like that to further their cause.

Why don't you feel shame when attrocities are commited in your name.

Weren't you just complaining about others asking the same question of you?

How can you expect muslims to reign in extremists, when you were not even willing to reign in extremists on this board who cheered the death of children.

I see a difference between murder and saying mean things. I don't see the expectation as unreasonable. What I do see as unreasonable is you drawing a link between the two, like whether we stop people saying certain things should have some kind of impact on whether Muslims stop blowing people up. I see that as very disturbing. It's like you are trying to justify blowing people up because westerners have free speech.