The story of one of The Bibles nastiest names.



Prophecy of Ishmael pre birth.
“The angel of the LORD also said to her:
      "You are now with child
      and you will have a son.
      You shall name him Ishmael,
      for the LORD has heard of your misery.
He will be a wild donkey of a man;
      his hand will be against everyone
      and everyone's hand against him,
      and he will live in hostility
      toward all his brothers.’"                                                      Genesis 16:11,12

Gods covenant with Isaac only.
                                                                       
“And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!"  Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.”
Genesis 17:18,19


Ishmael dies, prophecy of his descendants being in hostility.

“Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people. His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur. And they lived in hostility toward all their brothers.”
Genesis 25:17,18



His daughters marry

“so he went to Ishmael and married Mahalath, the sister of Nebaioth and daughter of Ishmael son of Abraham, in addition to the wives he already had.”
Genesis 28:9

“Esau took his wives from the women of Canaan: Adah daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Oholibamah daughter of Anah and granddaughter of Zibeon the Hivite- 3 also Basemath daughter of Ishmael and sister of Nebaioth.”
Genesis:36:3


Deception and assassination

“Gedaliah took an oath to reassure them and their men. "Do not be afraid of the Babylonian officials," he said. "Settle down in the land and serve the king of Babylon, and it will go well with you." In the seventh month, however, Ishmael son of Nethaniah, the son of Elishama, who was of royal blood, came with ten men and assassinated Gedaliah and also the men of Judah and the Babylonians who were with him at Mizpah.”
2Kings 25:24,25




Commander of units of 100 soldiers.

“In the seventh year Jehoiada showed his strength. He made a covenant with the commanders of units of a hundred: Azariah son of Jeroham, Ishmael son of Jehohanan, Azariah son of Obed, Maaseiah son of Adaiah, and Elishaphat son of Zicri.”
2 Chronicles 23:1


Bloodline continues

“From the descendants of Pashhur:
      Elioenai, Maaseiah, Ishmael, Nethanel, Jozabad and Elasah.”
Ezra 10:22


Spoken about in a rumour of assassination

“Johanan son of Kareah and all the army officers still in the open country came to Gedaliah at Mizpah 14 and said to him, "Don't you know that Baalis king of the Ammonites has sent Ishmael son of Nethaniah to take your life?" But Gedaliah son of Ahikam did not believe them.”
Jerimiah 40:13,14


Nb, followers of baal used to sacrifice their children in fire to him.
The Ammonites came from the incest between the demented Job and his two daughters after the destruction of Sodom and Gemorrah.
The offspring became the Ammonites and the Moabites.
Both tribes were always fighting.
This is who Ishmael is associated with.

tbc

Didn't you already start a thread about Ishamel (pbuh)? When I find it I'll merge this into it.

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Ishmael means "God hears", not "God has gathered", you'd better go and learn a little more about Biblical Hebrew I think.

Well that just proves how inaccurate your book is, because Ishmael's (pbuh) descendants got along fine with all the other descendants of Abraham (pbuh). The conflict with the sons of Isaac (pbuh) is only recent (less than 100 years). Prior to that, Jews in fact claim to have had their golden age under the Arabs.

And in fact, if anything, it's Christians who've spent most of their time conflicting with Jews, murdering them en masse, loading them into gas chambers etc.

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2008 at 11:57pm:

Many Nazis were Christians - Generally Catholic or Lutheran.

Hitler had a deal with the Vatican to allow the Catholic Church to operate within the Reich.

Gaybriel,

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Many of them were as helian pointed out, and even till this day, many neo-Nazis are Christians. Yes some are not, and they detest Christianity as a Jewish-based belief.

Also, persecution of Jews in Europe goes way back beyond the time of the Nazis, people like Martin Luther, the founding father of Protestant Christianity in Europe wrote many books about the Jews and how best to persecute them:

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This was not just some lone crazed racist, this was THE most prominent Christian ever in the history of the Protestant movement. No chance for sprint to blame it all on the Catholics here.

there are a number of fallacy of guilt by association used here.

I ask the biased moderator (Abu) to delete most posts here and stop falsely moving my threads or threatening me by PM