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Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:07pm
 

Whyever can allah NOT talk to you ?
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Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:10pm
 

Given that humans are fallible, how can anyone say islam is the infallable religion?

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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:44pm
 
I don't think you can distinguish Islam and Chistianity on the 'one man' issue. Islam claims to incorporate the old and new testaments, but claims they were distorted. But in some respects it must be based on them, though as far as I can tell they toss them out completely.

Christianity, as far as the enw testament is concerned, is also based on a single man. Both Christianity and Islam have direct quotes from the one man, plus what a bunch his immediate followers said.
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Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:56pm
 

Supposing muslims are superior, how come they fail dismally in the olympic games ???
And in Noble prizes?
And inventions?
And cars?
And space rockets ?
And art?

Given their population, they are the biggest losers.
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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2008 at 4:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:44pm:
I don't think you can distinguish Islam and Chistianity on the 'one man' issue. Islam claims to incorporate the old and new testaments, but claims they were distorted. But in some respects it must be based on them, though as far as I can tell they toss them out completely.

Christianity, as far as the enw testament is concerned, is also based on a single man. Both Christianity and Islam have direct quotes from the one man, plus what a bunch his immediate followers said.



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To ISLAM, Christians and Jews are cursed by Allah.

This curse against Christians and Jews is stated in the Koran, so it is irrevocable [i.e. coming from the lips of Allah himself].

As to the Christian and Jewish Bibles, they are repudiated, rejected, by muslims as corrupt, and inaccurate documents.

Only ISLAMIC texts remain inerrant, and inspired.

And therefore, ISLAM stands on its own.

And ISLAM is validated [or not!], entirely, upon the validity of its own texts.



So, don't go there, suggesting that ISLAM is a "continuation" of Judaism and Christianity.

IT IS NOT.

Muslims 'use' and 'exploit' the pre-existence of Christianity and Judaism to validate ISLAM, as the 'continuation', 'fulfilment' of Allah's plan.
....and then in their next breath, muslims classify all Christians and Jews as 'unbelievers', who worthy of death, because of their rejection of ISLAM.



So, either the Bible is valid [and the Koran cannot be].

Or the Koran is valid.

You choose.



September 9, 2007
Ohio mosque tour clears up misconceptions about Islam!
".......There are major misconceptions about Islam, one of which is that people see it as a strange religion, when it really is a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. There are many similarities, said Dr. Khalid Iqbal, who conducted tours of the mosque during the open house.
Dr. Iqbal does not seem to have informed his listeners that Islam is not solely a "continuation" of Judaism and Christianity, but a replacement and repudiation of them, since only "unbelievers" believe in the divinity of Christ (Qur'an 5:17) and both Jews and Christians are accursed of Allah (Qur'an 9:30)."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018096.php



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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:01pm
 

If a man is "allowed" 4 wives, how come there are 1/4 the men as women?

That way every man would have his "allotment."

As it is, must be LOTS of men that have NO chance of loving a woman.
How sad for them.
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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:06pm
 

If allah knows it all, how come he had to abrogate stuff?

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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:48pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:07pm:
Whyever can allah NOT talk to you ?


"He communicates with His creation, His speech is eternal, and not composed of sounds and letters."

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47146&hl=
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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:50pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:10pm:
Given that humans are fallible, how can anyone say islam is the infallable religion?



the religion as set down by allah is seen as infallible as allah is viewed as infallible. but it is the practice of religion that is fallible because human beings are the ones practising it.

the distinction between the word of god as religion, and religion as practised by humans must be recognised
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Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:54pm
 
Quote:
"He communicates with His creation, His speech is eternal, and not composed of sounds and letters."


This sounds like a rejection of the Koran.
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Reply #10 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:55pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 5th, 2008 at 3:56pm:
Supposing muslims are superior, how come they fail dismally in the olympic games ???
And in Noble prizes?
And inventions?
And cars?
And space rockets ?
And art?

Given their population, they are the biggest losers.


going along your lines of assumed superiority- who said that superiority is measured by these things? in the eyes of god, do such things matter? these are human concerns. so if one is to discuss superiority in god's eyes- I think you would have to talk among much different lines

you could also look at the lives of the prophets and say they have been the biggest losers because they led such horrible lives- they were persecuted, exiled, renounced etc - never rich blah blah- yet it was these trials that was a great part of who they are, what made them special. human beings often undergo tests and trials from god (according to christianity and islam) in order to make them stronger etc

on a more earthly level- I believe the majority of muslims come from the middle east- a region that has been torn apart by conflict and difficulties for a long time. this makes certain achievements quite difficult
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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:57pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:01pm:
If a man is "allowed" 4 wives, how come there are 1/4 the men as women?

That way every man would have his "allotment."

As it is, must be LOTS of men that have NO chance of loving a woman.
How sad for them.


your last sentence conflicts with the first two

you ask why if there are less men than women, can men marry more than one woman- well you've just answered your own question.

and then you say that men have no chance of loving a woman? I don't see how this logically follows.

unless I have misunderstood your first sentence
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Reply #12 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:57pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:06pm:
If allah knows it all, how come he had to abrogate stuff?



I believe abu has explained this before at length. maybe search for it
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Reply #13 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:54pm:
Quote:
"He communicates with His creation, His speech is eternal, and not composed of sounds and letters."


This sounds like a rejection of the Koran.


not so- it is not claimed that allah physically wrote the quran. we don't know how he communicated with muhammed in order for the quran to come about
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Reply #14 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 11:11pm
 
gaybriel - my mistake on this one
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If a man is "allowed" 4 wives, how come there are 1/4 the men as women?

That way every man would have his "allotment."

As it is, must be LOTS of men that have NO chance of loving a woman.
How sad for them.




I meant :- If a man is "allowed" 4 wives, there should be  1/4 the men as women?

That way every man would have his "allotment."

As it is, must be LOTS of men that have NO chance of loving a woman.
How sad for them.


Either allah is cruel to the 75% of guys who won't have a wife, or he has miscalculated that we reproduce 50% female, 50% men,  or something else is amiss.


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