Whyever can allah NOT talk to you ?

I don't think you can distinguish Islam and Chistianity on the 'one man' issue. Islam claims to incorporate the old and new testaments, but claims they were distorted. But in some respects it must be based on them, though as far as I can tell they toss them out completely.

Christianity, as far as the enw testament is concerned, is also based on a single man. Both Christianity and Islam have direct quotes from the one man, plus what a bunch his immediate followers said.

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2008 at 3:44pm:



FD,


To ISLAM, Christians and Jews are cursed by Allah.

This curse against Christians and Jews is stated in the Koran, so it is irrevocable [i.e. coming from the lips of Allah himself].

As to the Christian and Jewish Bibles, they are repudiated, rejected, by muslims as corrupt, and inaccurate documents.

Only ISLAMIC texts remain inerrant, and inspired.

And therefore, ISLAM stands on its own.

And ISLAM is validated [or not!], entirely, upon the validity of its own texts.



So, don't go there, suggesting that ISLAM is a "continuation" of Judaism and Christianity.

IT IS NOT.

Muslims 'use' and 'exploit' the pre-existence of Christianity and Judaism to validate ISLAM, as the 'continuation', 'fulfilment' of Allah's plan.
....and then in their next breath, muslims classify all Christians and Jews as 'unbelievers', who worthy of death, because of their rejection of ISLAM.



So, either the Bible is valid [and the Koran cannot be].

Or the Koran is valid.

You choose.



September 9, 2007
Ohio mosque tour clears up misconceptions about Islam!
".......There are major misconceptions about Islam, one of which is that people see it as a strange religion, when it really is a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. There are many similarities, said Dr. Khalid Iqbal, who conducted tours of the mosque during the open house.
Dr. Iqbal does not seem to have informed his listeners that Islam is not solely a "continuation" of Judaism and Christianity, but a replacement and repudiation of them, since only "unbelievers" believe in the divinity of Christ (Qur'an 5:17) and both Jews and Christians are accursed of Allah (Qur'an 9:30)."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018096.php

If allah knows it all, how come he had to abrogate stuff?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 5^th, 2008 at 3:10pm:


the religion as set down by allah is seen as infallible as allah is viewed as infallible. but it is the practice of religion that is fallible because human beings are the ones practising it.

the distinction between the word of god as religion, and religion as practised by humans must be recognised

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 5^th, 2008 at 3:56pm:


going along your lines of assumed superiority- who said that superiority is measured by these things? in the eyes of god, do such things matter? these are human concerns. so if one is to discuss superiority in god's eyes- I think you would have to talk among much different lines

you could also look at the lives of the prophets and say they have been the biggest losers because they led such horrible lives- they were persecuted, exiled, renounced etc - never rich blah blah- yet it was these trials that was a great part of who they are, what made them special. human beings often undergo tests and trials from god (according to christianity and islam) in order to make them stronger etc

on a more earthly level- I believe the majority of muslims come from the middle east- a region that has been torn apart by conflict and difficulties for a long time. this makes certain achievements quite difficult

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 9:06pm:


I believe abu has explained this before at length. maybe search for it

gaybriel - my mistake on this one
Quote:




I meant :- If a man is "allowed" 4 wives, there should be  1/4 the men as women?

That way every man would have his "allotment."

As it is, must be LOTS of men that have NO chance of loving a woman.
How sad for them.


Either allah is cruel to the 75% of guys who won't have a wife, or he has miscalculated that we reproduce 50% female, 50% men,  or something else is amiss.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:14pm:


well one question I have is- has it been said allah cannot talk to muslims?

what do you mean by talk?

do you mean communicate?

if you mean talk as in voice from the skies- that's why I put the above quote in

gaybriel - Quote:



who sees that religion as infallable ? A person?
But people are fallable. What if they made a mistake on this.

anyone with an ounce of commonsense can tell you religion sucks.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:40pm:


I thought you were Christian?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:52pm:


gees sprint- it was a quick question, not trying to deflect. please dn't accuse me of something like that when I'm genuinely asking you something

I can't answer your question without knowing where you got the understanding that allah can't talk to anyone. do you have a quote for this?

and again- the issue wouldn't be a matter of can't, maybe won't or simply doesn't- but not cant. such is the nature of god.

why (if this is true) does he not talk to people?

the answer is in the first quote I gave you- that he communicates, but not through words or letters. why? I don't believe the reason for this is given and I wouldn't presume to speculate about god

The Koran [itself] states that muslims are wonderful, wonderful, creatures....


"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110





Yes muslims are wonderful creatures.

EXCEPT when they are,

stoning 13 yr old girls [Somalia]

blowing up buses and trains [London & Madrid]

running explosive laden vehicles into airport buildings [Scotland]

beheading apostates [Saudi Arabia]

murdering schoolchildren [Beslan]

etc, etc, etc.




BUT WAIT!

These were not muslims Yadda!

All of these ppl only  claimed  to be muslims.

Real muslims, don't misunderstand ISLAM.

And those who claim to understand ISLAM, insist that ISLAM is peace.


+++++++++


THESE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE ALL SO ILLOGICAL, AND THEY ARE SO, ISLAM.


Sorry i don't believe these lies.

If ISLAM is peace, and ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion, all of these violent ppl [who claim to be muslims] would not be 'misunderstanding' ISLAM, and killing ppl for Allah's cause.

BUT THEY ARE.

And i don't believe that these ppl do 'misunderstand' ISLAM.

The only 'deniers', and 'misunderstanders', are ppl who reject the TRUTH of what ISLAM is.

i.e.
Those who are the apologists for ISLAM.

Those who seem blind, to the TRUTH of what ISLAM is.

Why is that?

The [un-embroidered] answer to that question, would be very interesting.




Teaching muslim children, ISLAMIC values [London],

The translation as evolved is definitely strange, never heard it before, then again I don't really use Yusuf Ali's translation. Most translations say 'raised up', but actually the literal translation of this word would be "to come out of" You are the best nation to come out of mankind or "to arise out of" mankind. It comes from the verb meaning to exit.

Although some more modern translations have tended to use more scientific words relating to modern knowledge when re-examining a text for translation (like saying the cosmos is expanding), I don't think this is a case of that. Yusuf Ali's translation is firstly quite old, not as old as the theory of evolution, but I highly doubt the theory of evolution would've been that widespread in his time, nor would've he have been like to incorportate such things into his translation.

jordan484 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 12:24pm:




jordan484,

I do not doubt that muslims actually believe this assertion.

But that assertion was actually made by Allah.
i.e.
Every single word of the Koran, was from Allah [supposedly].




"Sounds rather like white supremacy to me."

'Racist' even?

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 11:49am:


You're stuck on the modern definition of evolve, FD.  Evolve comes from the Latin word evolvere-  to unroll, open, unfold.

In chemistry, we say for example - when acid is added to granular pool chlorine, a toxic gas is evolved. (is given off, comes about)

Just a friendly reminder but the last man who said "god talks to me" was George W Bush, now many its just me but i am thankful that there are not more people god decides to "talk" to.

You are not helping your case gaybriel.
Invite the boyfriend?
Gonna convert?

Grendel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:59pm:

not sure who has been insulted here...

Phillip wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:08pm:


are you saying it's insulting to be considered my boyfriend?!

oh we are SO broken up

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:19pm:

no comment
lol