Yadda yadda yadda.

Can't you just number your stock responses or something? So instead of filling a thread with the exact same post over and over again, you just say <insert stock Yadda rant #23 here> ?? Would certainly take up much less screen space, and would convey about the same amount  of useful information.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 12:01pm:





abu,

Instead of correcting and 'guiding' all the non-muslims who frequent these forum pages, i think that it would be much more productive for you to emigrate to Indonesia.

Once there, you could open your very own ISLAMIC school, and begin correcting and 'guiding' all of those not rightly guided muslims in Indonesia.

You know.

The not rightly guided muslims in Indonesia, who think Allah wants them to kill, and blow up, non-muslims.

You know.

All of those not rightly guided muslims.


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You should do this abu [emigrate to Indonesia, or Saudi Arabia, or....?],

Because you don't have to try to teach us here about ISLAM.

All we non-muslims have to do, to understand ISLAM is,
.....STUDY THE KORAN, AND THE HADITH.
.....AND LOOK AT THE BEHAVIOUR OF MEN, WHO CLAIM TO BE MUSLIMS.


abu,

We non-muslims, do not 'mis-understand' ISLAM.

It is all of those violent, not rightly guided muslims, who 'mis-understand' ISLAM.
/sarc off

ISLAM presents *itself* to the world.
...IN THE STATEMENTS AND ACTIONS OF ITS ADHERENTS.

This was the original quote from Yadda:

Quote:


Now aren't you the least bit curious why Yadda omitted part of the verses?

Here is the missing part:

Quote:

to me- as a lay person's interpretation- the verse seems to be saying that you have to at some point accept the wisdom of god, and that you can't possibly understand his wisdom- just because there are things we may not understand within our human sphere, doesn't mean they don't have a reason etc etc

and so if you continually question these things you can't possibly understand it will make trouble for you (in your mind and spirit). yes you should try to understand the quran and the teachings of god, but you should not be so presumptuous as to question the wisdom of god.

that could be totally off track- but that's how it appeared to me

it also says not to question things 'if made plain to you'- which seems to me to say, that if something is already spelt out, then you shouldn't keep questioning it because you have already been provided with the answer.

then saying that if you question "as the quran is revealed to you" seems to me to mean when you learn something new from the quran, ie as you are learning about it or from it.

really to me it just seems to be a pre-emptive move to stop us from being one of those little kids who continually asks 'why'

for me if I ask all those 'why are we here, what is the purpose of life' questions I feel like my head is going to explode. maybe that's what it's all about.

meh- I dunno, religious texts are confusing!!

This koranic verse makes it hard for a muslims to sign up to the idea that faith has to be reasonable:

"Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."

Little wonder some of them went apeshit when the pope suggested in Regensburg that religion has to be reasonable. A bit confrontational for some minds.

Would god take away your faith because you asked him a curly question? How ridiculous. I think it is silly to imagine a god would say something like this, especially a god who had never before said anything like this. Moses argued with god, David argued with god, Jesus asked a really tough one with his last breath.

To my mind this is Mohammed speaking, pre-emptively.

(The bit after about ask while it is being revealed does not contrdict or enlarge this line so there is no conspiracy by yadda by leaving it out.)

On the pope's Regensburg speech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI_Islam_controversy

I think that all religions place the full nature of God beyond human comprehension. Islam is the only one I know of that places revelation beyond human enquiry because it is so unpalatable.