tallowood,

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Actually crescent and star are Turkish symbols, and appear on the flag of Turkey and a few other nations, mostly non-Arabic ones. In fact only two Arabic countries have the Crescent and star in their flags as you can see in this map of flags of the Arabic world:



They are the North African nations of Tunisia and Algeria. And this is probably because of their close ties with the Ottomans in later times.

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The word "Allah" in Arabic simply means "The Deity", and Allat is just a feminised form of it. Although the pre-Islamic Arabs did worship Allah (The Deity) along with all their other pantheons, they recognised that Allah was the one all powerful creator-deity.

locutius wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 12:28pm:


Why don't you tell us, even though you haven't read it, this hasn't stopped you before. Seems that people have a habit here of commenting on books they've never read.

Then again, you can always get jihadwatch.com to tell you. Or you can get Yada to tell you, cause he always posts accurate information about muslims.

And after all, he posts what you want to hear. God forbid you'd actually listen to what muslims says....nah, we're all liars, aren't we locuitus.

tallowood wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 5:53pm:


sorry tallo- I missed those. I'll check it out

Lestat wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 7:54pm:


You're hilarious Lestat.

No I haven't read it but someone asked if a Muslim might want to comment. Abu decided that the original poster might want to do that themselves, but the original poster is not Muslim so ASKED for a Muslim's take on it.

I suggested that since so many of your kind hearted bretheren are prepared to murder people/artists over books (& cartoons, criticism etc) that being sharp and under instruction to educate themselves that they may have read it themselves. Doesn't seem unreasonalble to me as I'm not the one who bounces up and down slapping their forehead till it bleeds and displaying happiness to kill someone over something I have not even read.

Of course murdering an artist whether they have caused offence or not is something that your reply specifically avoided. Was it wrong? Do you agree with it?

It is a religion that really needs to grow up and drop the tantrums. I would suggest to you that this type of judgement (murdering artists) and its enthusiastic reception (by Muslims) does more to demonstrate to reasonable people just how dangerous total submission to religious dogma is than blowing up a bus. Some people MAY actually accept the blowing up of a bus as a military action, but that won't wash for murdering artists because they offended your prophet.

As to the website you referred to, well to the best of my knowledge you did not accept my invitation to provide me with websites that show a more balanced view. I am still waiting. I did check back on that topic for probably a week or more to see if you had delivered on the invitation........ Nothing.

As to being liars, you are decievers by admission. Remember the topic and discussions on Muslim Ettiquite. Give me something else to work with here.

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Very probably true. Fantasy! A novel. A work of fiction. Will probably recieve no lasting critical acclaim but fame beyond its worth. The Streisand effect I think it is called. But worthy of a death sentence?

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:06am:
Maybe, maybe not. I suspect he wanted a Muslim take on it hence " why did Muslims get so upset about it? I am facinated that you don't have an opinion about it or that it has been a subject of discussion. As a convert wouldn't such incidences been of interest or importance in your decision making.

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abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:06am:


Thank you for correcting me on my spelling, I have amended the offending mistake. I can't guarantee that there won't be others as being slightly dislexic I am by admission quite poor at spelling. I will try to make the extra effort to cut/paste/spellcheck where time allows. I will try to communicate better in the future.

You admitted the existence of Muslim Ettiquite that censors criticism of fellow Muslims. Also thank you for suggesting the word omission. It is a good word, like the word deciever. These words go hand in hand, thats why I did not come out and use the word liar. Both you and Lestat used that word. We can take this particular discussion back to the Muslim Ettiquite topic anyway if you wish.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:06am:


Basically what I said above. I don't know if it is pure bollocks. But I accept that it probably is.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:06am:


Quite right, but I did not ask for you to answer for their decree, I asked for you to comment on it. Like the original poster was asking. You're not American either but you often have plenty to say about America.

Thanks Yadda,

This was a point that I forgot to make about your quotes coming from the Koran and Hadith. If the quotes are correct then there is disagreement over interpretation. Then that needs to be the point of discussion. Because it is a public forum there is an implied invitation to respond and add another interpretation. Of course if the spirit of what is meant is the reverse of what is said then a combination of patience and another layer of information is probably required.

I have seen defences that say that you can't understand it unless you learn Arabic ? and then other times it is stated that it is not required. Which is it? I would suggest that a text that cannot adequately be transcribed from one existing language to another is deliberately vague, and far from a comprehensive and absolute guide to here and the hereafter. And I'm accussed of communication problems.   Good grief.

Is your reference site a University website?

i would be hesitant to believe that there were once female goddesses in the koran.

whether or not one believes the Mohammad was genuine you cannot believe he was completely stupid and would write something so obvious...