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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	The Satanic Verses Nov 8^th, 2008 at 1:03pm What is the book about, and why did Muslims get so upset about it?
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: The Satanic Verses Reply #1 - Nov 8^th, 2008 at 2:11pm Muslims get upset about everything and anything. Don't know the details about the satanic verses, but it was something to do with them thinking it was blasphemous. But, geez, what isn't these days with the muslims?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: The Satanic Verses Reply #2 - Nov 8^th, 2008 at 2:58pm Read it and tell us...
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Reply #3 - Nov 8^th, 2008 at 10:22pm

I've read the book, have it in pdf format. It seems pretty boring to me the same as "DaVinci code", may be because I'm not a literazzi though.

Judging from commentaries the controversy was caused by parts of SV that parody episode in life of Mohamed described by Al-Tabari when Shaitan casts a false revelation on the Messenger of God's tongue, which he later repels. That would be Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22 and Sura Hajj (Pilgrimage) 22.52-53

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Reply #4 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 12:02pm

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THE FACTS OF THE MATTER ARE THAT.....
Muhammad was tutored by SATAN [in introducing error into the Koran,....error which was later supposedly purged],

THIS IS WHAT Muhammad ADMITTED HIMSELF.
.....AND THAT ADMISSION WAS THE START OF THE Satanic Verses CONTROVERSY WITHIN ISLAM.

"Most people associate “the Satanic verses” with the notorious novel by Salman Rushdie. In 1989, Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, ordering Muslims to kill Rushdie for writing this book — and this death sentence has been perpetually reaffirmed by Iranian leaders, though no assassin has yet carried it out.
But Rushdie did not invent the “Satanic verses.” The term actually refers to an incident, recorded in Islamic tradition and referred to in Sura 53, in which Satan, not Allah, spoke through Muhammad’s mouth. The verses that the devil gave to the Prophet of Islam have been known thereafter as “the Satanic verses.” "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2008/10/022921print.html

Google,
site:http://www.jihadwatch.org/ "Satanic Verses"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: The Satanic Verses Reply #5 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 12:28pm abu_rashid wrote on Nov 8^th, 2008 at 2:58pm: Read it and tell us... Surely one of the millions of Muslims that read it, before enthusiastically anticipating his murder, might be able to tell us. They are very sharp afterall.
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Reply #6 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 12:34pm

locutius wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 12:28pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 8^th, 2008 at 2:58pm:

Read it and tell us...

Surely one of the millions of Muslims that read it, before enthusiastically anticipating his murder, might be able to tell us. They are very sharp afterall.

locutius ,

LOL!!!!

Very good!

Touche!!

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abu said,
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Muhammad (pbuh) said "The Muslim should be sharp, he never gets bitten from the same place twice"

Also the Islamic texts constantly implore the Muslims to seek knowledge, and to gain education, that really doesn't fit in with the 'easier to deceive' blind followers you seem to envisage. Doesn't mean some people don't exist like that, no doubt they do, as they do in all religions, that's just part of human nature, some are leaders, some are followers.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: The Satanic Verses Reply #7 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 1:15pm Yadda- where did muhammed claim to be 'tutored by satan'? quote? reference?
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Reply #8 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 1:49pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 1:15pm:

Yadda- where did muhammed claim to be 'tutored by satan'?

quote? reference?

Gaybriel,

I can find this.

But i will not right now.

You know how it is,
....So much to do, so little time.

But basically the story goes that, Muhammad had claimed that the Koran was given to him by Allah
....[and i have no doubt that it was Allah, who gave the words of the Koran to Muhammad].

When a serious contradiction of ISLAMIC faith was pointed out,
i.e. that muslims could worship 2 female deities, alongside worshipping Allah,
i.e. thus making ISLAM a NON-monotheistic faith.

Duh!!!!

Spit! spit!!!!

Muhammad claimed he had been deceived ['tutored'] by SATAN, in reciting certain parts of the Koran.

The offending 'revelation' [i.e. the SATANIC verses] were purged from the Koran.

Gaybriel,

If you are really interested.

Look this up yourself.

Please Gaybriel, seek the truth for yourself.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #9 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 4:13pm

Yadda- please stop speaking down to me. I'm not retarded.

as for independent investigation- like you said- so much to do, so little time.

I'm currently doing my phd- so I don't have the time to look up every single piece of information you post into these forums. I find out what I can with the time I have.

the whole concept of a forum is that people exchange information and views, so please stop acting like I am somehow requesting something bizarre by asking you to back up the things you say with a reference. especially something so big as 'muhammed was tutored by the devil'

ok? great.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: The Satanic Verses Reply #10 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 4:31pm Gaybriel, in case you think he is making it up, I have seen similar claims before and I suspect Abu agrees with them. There is also apparently another part of the Koran which was destroyed a few centuries after Muhammed because the clerics (ie the ones that don't exist) found it too disturbing.
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Reply #11 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 5:04pm

Here are The satanic Verses. The highlighted part of text later was deleted.
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Near it is the Garden of Abode.
Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!)
(His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

These are the exalted cranes whose intercession is to be hoped for.

What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?
Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

an-Najm 53:19-22

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: The Satanic Verses Reply #12 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 5:12pm That sounds like a parody of Shakespeare and Chinese poetry. Can anyone explain what it's about?
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Reply #13 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 5:28pm

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 5:12pm:

That sounds like a parody of Shakespeare and Chinese poetry. Can anyone explain what it's about?

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Allat, according to recent study of the complicated inspirational evidence, is believed to have been introduced into Arabia from Syria, and to have been the moon goddess of North Arabia. If this is the correct interpretation of her character, she corresponded to the moon deity of South Arabia, Almaqah, `Vadd, `Amm or Sin as he was called, the difference being only the oppositeness of gender. Mount Sinai (the name being an Arabic feminine form of Sin) would then have been one of the centers of the worship of this northern moon goddess. Similarly, al-`Uzza is supposed to have come from Sinai, and to have been the goddess of the planet Venus. As the moon and the evening star are associated in the heavens, so too were Allat and al-`Uzza together in religious belief, and so too are the crescent and star conjoined on the flags of Arab countries today.
Prior to the rise of Islam, these three goddesses were associated with Allah as his daughters and all were worshiped at Mecca and other places in the vicinity.

(The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan)

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Reply #14 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 5:45pm

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 4:31pm:

Gaybriel, in case you think he is making it up, I have seen similar claims before and I suspect Abu agrees with them.

There is also apparently another part of the Koran which was destroyed a few centuries after Muhammed because the clerics (ie the ones that don't exist) found it too disturbing.

I don't think he's making it up- I just want to see the original reference so I can check it out myself

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