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Could Islam be evil?
Nov 11th, 2008 at 6:18am
 
I was just wondering, a supremely powerful God, why would it need you to do its' bidding for it? Wouldn't it have everything playing out to a grand master plan?

Do you think he would want you to go around killing and punishing 'his' enemies? Doesn't he get them back in the afterlife anyway? Or is Islam less pure than we are led to believe?

If the Islamic version was the right one, why would they be permitted to lie about their religion? Why would conversions be necessary? Don't the righteous find their own way? Why are people who leave the religion allowed to be punished by the living?

And then I hear about the satanic verses, where Mohammed admits he was influenced by satan, yet Muslims still consider him to be perfect and God's prophet. Jesus admitted that satan tried to tempt him, yet he rejected satan. So they are similar, in the sense they both encountered satan, yet one of them refused to allow satan to give him anything and resisted evil.

I mean, if you really want to take something, deemed as evil, down, wouldn't you need to get inside it to see just how bad it was before you could conclude it was bad, and then take it down from the inside? We all know an outsiders perspective is warped, which is why I am asking questions about Islam. I suppose that could be doing God's work, if you knew in your heart something was evil and had to be destroyed, but just looking at something from the outside, with no idea of its inner workings, how do you know you are getting the full story? What kind of group would want you going around destroying anything that opposes it and either removing it or bringing it under subjugation when it doesn't know what it is fighting? It's uninformed, just like all the non-Muslims on this site (allegedly).

What do the Muslims think? Anyone else too.
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Re: Could Islam be evil?
Reply #1 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:10am
 
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And then I hear about the satanic verses, where Mohammed admits he was influenced by satan, yet Muslims still consider him to be perfect and God's prophet.


Not unlike the entire premise of this thread, the Satanic verses are a load of bollocks.

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Jesus admitted that satan tried to tempt him, yet he rejected satan. So they are similar, in the sense they both encountered satan, yet one of them refused to allow satan to give him anything and resisted evil.


Jesus (pbuh) is supposedly God, and God was tempted by the Devil? Now there's some bollocks for ya.
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Reply #2 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:15am
 
Well if the devil is a fallen angel, then quite clearly this angel would have had access to God as some point, therefore attempting to tempt God would be plausible.

Eg, you can tell me the sky is green, and try and convince me of it, yet I know it's not true. You can tempt me with lies and untruths but I can easily say no and see straight through your futile, pointless argument.

So the satanic verses were never a part of the Qu'ran and never ever existed?
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Reply #3 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:53am
 
easel wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:15am:
Well if the devil is a fallen angel, then quite clearly this angel would have had access to God as some point, therefore attempting to tempt God would be plausible.

I think the temptation of Jesus betrays the fact that he was once not considered god incarnate. Attempting to deceive a god would be pointless if you were subordinate to that god, as in Jewish mythology, Satan once was.
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So the satanic verses were never a part of the Qu'ran and never ever existed?


That's right. Rushdie just thought it was a good way to get discovered.
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Reply #5 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 1:49pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:56am:
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So the satanic verses were never a part of the Qu'ran and never ever existed?


That's right. Rushdie just thought it was a good way to get discovered.





Here we have.....
abu, muslims, ISLAM, redefining the TRUTH again.



If Muhammad, [had] got a revelation saying the sky was green, all muslims subsequently, and up until this day, would be insisting that everyone else was wrong, and that muslims / ISLAM was correct.....

"......DUMB KUFFAR, THE SKY IS [really, really] GREEN!!!!"




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The Koran clearly states that, 'those who reject Allah have no protector.'
....i.e. '....their blood may legally be spilled....'

"....those who reject (Allah),- for them is destruction, and (Allah) will render their deeds astray (from their mark).
....those who reject Allah have no protector."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.008
v. 8-11



BUT EVEN THOUGH YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND THAT LAST KORAN VERSE,
......ISLAM IS STILL PEACE.


You see,
It all depends on how you define the concept of 'peace'.

The point being, that ISLAM has its own definition of what 'peace' is.



As i have pointed out previously.....

ISLAM is a dualistic philosophy.

It defines all things / concepts, according to how ISLAM wants to view those things.

If the rest of humanity define those same things / concepts differently, then it is the rest of humanity that is in error,
......NOT ISLAM!!!!
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #6 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 8:50pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:56am:
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So the satanic verses were never a part of the Qu'ran and never ever existed?


That's right. Rushdie just thought it was a good way to get discovered.

Much the same as Ayaan Hisri Ali.
No disrespect to her, the woman has had a HARD life - but none of her struggles are due to Islam.

To answer the question 'could Islam be evil?" I must say no.
It is the one uncorrupted way of life, with no contradictions. Allah [swt] wishes the best for mankind and nothing happens but by His will.
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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:08pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:10am:
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And then I hear about the satanic verses, where Mohammed admits he was influenced by satan, yet Muslims still consider him to be perfect and God's prophet.


Not unlike the entire premise of this thread, the Satanic verses are a load of bollocks.
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Quiet a few Islamic historians had written about it as matter of fact.





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Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:11pm
 
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 8:50pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:56am:
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So the satanic verses were never a part of the Qu'ran and never ever existed?


That's right. Rushdie just thought it was a good way to get discovered.

... Allah [swt] wishes the best for mankind and nothing happens but by His will.


Do you mean that Allah willed the Satan?


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Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:14pm
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:11pm:
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 8:50pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:56am:
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So the satanic verses were never a part of the Qu'ran and never ever existed?


That's right. Rushdie just thought it was a good way to get discovered.

... Allah [swt] wishes the best for mankind and nothing happens but by His will.


Do you mean that Allah willed the Satan?

Yes. He did.
We have to refrain from listening to his whispers. Very good, Tallowood.

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Reply #10 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:26pm
 
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:14pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:11pm:
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 8:50pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:56am:
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So the satanic verses were never a part of the Qu'ran and never ever existed?


That's right. Rushdie just thought it was a good way to get discovered.

... Allah [swt] wishes the best for mankind and nothing happens but by His will.


Do you mean that Allah willed the Satan?

Yes. He did.
We have to refrain from listening to his whispers. Very good, Tallowood.

Smiley


That means that it isn't inconceivable that Mohamed was deceived by Satan in the guise of Gab but later real Gab corrected him.

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Reply #11 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:29pm
 
Then how is it inconcievable that those who have changed the Bible [time and time again] weren't inspired by Satan?
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Reply #12 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:39pm
 
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:29pm:
Then how is it inconcievable that those who have changed the Bible [time and time again] weren't inspired by Satan?


That is very conceivable and makes Koran Satanic book as well.
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Reply #13 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:41pm
 
Who says the real Gabriel corrected him?
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Reply #14 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:16pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 9:41pm:
Who says the real Gabriel corrected him?


Islamic historians and that is where Rushdie differs from them

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Gibreel when he submits to the inevitable, when he slides heavy-lidded towards visions of his angeling, passes his loving mother who has a different name for him, Shaitan, she calls him, just like Shaitan, same to same, because he has been fooling around with the tiffins to be carried into the city for the office workers' lunch, mischeevious imp, she slices the air with her hand, rascal has been putting Muslim meat compartments into Hindu nonveg tiffin-carriers, customers are up in arms.
(c) SV by S. Rushdie

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