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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #105 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:35am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 8:29pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
I am not asking you whether Islam conforms to my concept of freedom, or to anyone else's. I am asking you whether you think Islam rejects freedom - obviously this means your own view of freedom.


Ok, according to my view of freedom, no, Islam does not reject freedom, it came to establish it for all mankind.





ISLAM came to establish freedom for all mankind ???



Quote:
   
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

    Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."



http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/002-sbt.php#001.002.025


ISLAM came to establish freedom for all mankind ???

Not so.

What Mohammed says [above], is that no man [and his property] safe from him [Mohammed] unless he becomes a moslem.

Is that freedom ?

Mohammed himself declares, that ISLAM establishes [makes 'lawful'] moslem violence upon [and the robbery of], all mankind, who are not moslems.

Essentially, ISLAM makes moslems 'free' [i.e. 'sanctifies' moslem violence]........to oppress, non-moslems.
/sarc off

Essentially, ISLAM makes moslems 'free'........to become CRIMINALS, and to become the oppressors of non-moslems.


While non-moslems [within close proximity to moslems], are enslaved to forever defend themselves, from 'lawful' moslem violence against them.




ISLAM, brings violence, death, and enslavement to mankind.

And most of all, to moslems.

As we have proof of, daily....


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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #106 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:36am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:42pm:
presumably you can prove to me that the 10 men murdered by the budhists had participated in violence, murder, terrorism etc against budhists?



The 10 moslems who were murdered, were moslems.


Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
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You, and other moslems, have made your choice gandalf.

You choose to associate yourself with what ISLAM is.




OK.

Bear it!




i Quote:
Do you think it was a proportionate response to one girl getting raped and murdered?



LIAR.

There have been many, many, other incidents where moslems took their 'liberties' with Myanmar locals.

And YOU know that.








Quote:
What is your opinion of the massacre of 200 muslims and burning of mosques in the area in 2001?


"I'm a moslem!
Allah makes it lawful for me to kill disbelievers who offend me!
Allah makes it lawful for me to rape the infidel women!

BUT NOBODY MUST HARM MEEEEEEE!"



gandalf,

If wolves have attacked a farmers sheep.

Is the farmer going to hold fire, and not shoot a wolf that he sees on his farm - because maybe, this wolf, was an 'innocent' wolf ???i
Quote:
Do you justify all this on the basis that muslims "had it coming"?


"I'm a moslem!
Allah makes it lawful for me to kill disbelievers who offend me!
Allah makes it lawful for me to rape the infidel women!

BUT NOBODY MUST HARM MEEEEEEE!"



gandalf,

If wolves have attacked a farmers sheep.

Is the farmer going to hold fire, and not shoot a wolf that he sees on his farm - because maybe, this wolf, was an 'innocent' wolf ???


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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #107 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:38am
 


A moslem, is a moslem, is a moslem.




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I still maintain contact with a number of my friends the world over who happen to be Muslim. They are perfectly normal people - not Jihadists.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336270614/22#22


You are non-moslem, and you have a moslem friend.

Sorry, >>NO<<, you don't.

Well let me put it this way; If you are not a moslem, he is NOT your friend.



If a person chooses to declare;
"I am a moslem."
, and if that same person 'intimates' to you, that he is your moslem friend, >> THAT MOSLEM IS A BARE FACED LIAR <<.

>> ISLAMIC law [Sharia Law] << makes it very clear, that it is unlawful for a moslem to have a sincere friendship with a, spit, spit, non-moslem.

If you are moslem, being a moslem, and being the friend of a non-moslem are EXCLUSIVE circumstances.    [ <---- i.e. ISLAMIC law mandates, that these circumstances cannot occur together.]

Every moslem worthy of the name knows that that is truthful.

And that >> FACT << is proclaimed within ISLAM's most important foundation text, the inerrant, straight from Allah's lips, Koran.

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51

n.b.
ISLAM regards Jews and the Christians as non-moslems.

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them..."
Koran 3:28

Again, the Koran commands, and ISLAMIC doctrine insists, that it is unlawful for moslems to make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": i.e. pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them.

But if moslem secretly or openly 'intimates' to you, that he you are his friend, you should not be surprised.

Because it is commonly known that moslems will commonly lie to 'unbelievers', to decieve 'unbelievers', to further 'the cause of Allah' [i.e. Jihad], against Allah's enemies [the 'unbelievers'].


Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit


Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"


Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya



If moslems are continually lying to non-moslems, and if moslems are misrepresenting ISLAM to non-moslems,
AND THEY ARE, AND IT CAN BE PROVEN THAT THEY ARE,
......then using Arabic terminology to define who the Kuffar [i.e. the infidels] are, then who >> are << the real Kuffar [i.e. the infidels] ???

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuffar



Moslems, by definition, are among the very Kuffar, that they claim to despise, AND, they, moslems, WILL GO TO HELL.

Because moslems agree, that that is where all infidels will wind up.

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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #108 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:41am
 
Adamant wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 10:08pm:
falah wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:57am:
Paying compensation for crimes is not a Jew tax Freeliar.I believe compensation for crimes can be sought under Australian law



Will the muslims now pay full restitution for the war crimes they have committed?







adamant,

What war crimes ???


ISLAMIC law makes it 'lawful' for moslems to persecute, oppress, and to murder 'unbelievers'.

So moslems do not commit 'war crimes'.





ISLAM teaches every moslem from childhood, that 'unbelievers' ['those who reject Allah'] have no protection in their moslem society, and that the moslem duty, their obligation to ISLAM, their Jihad, is to destroy every un-ISLAMIC community [ the community which has given those moslems sanctuary], and to replace that society with ISLAM and its law of violence and oppression.



1/    "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.].
Koran 2.98
[ - - All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared enemy of moslems.]


2/    "...those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47:8-11


3/    "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:...."
Koran 4.74-76


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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #109 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:42am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2012 at 8:35am:
What an absolute load of Bollocks ..... you rednecks have no idea

Any refugee in Indonesia can
NEVER get a job,
Never own a home or business,
they live in jails, slums or on the streets
begging and
stealing for enough food to survive .....


the odd ones that do work, do so for cash money only and usually at a lessor rate than an Indonesian may get for the same job .....they have no rights ... this isn't living ... it's no way to raise a family or plan for a future ... I'd like to see any one of you morons settle for that .....



So, Indonesia.

It is just another ISLAMIC 'paradise' then ?


Q.
And what makes Indonesia, an 'ISLAMIC paradise' ?

A.
Indonesia, is an 'ISLAMIC paradise' because of the influence of ISLAM in that country. And because of the rule of moslems [ISLAMISTS, duh!], who are the majority, in that country.





So your argument then, is, that because >> MOSLEMS << have made societal hell holes of every nation that they have taken over, your argument is that non-moslem nations like Australia, must absorb displaced >> moslems << so that >> moslems << can bring their dysfunctional and violent and unjust culture, to non-moslem counties like Australia ???

Why ?

Why, if we [non-moslems] have rejected the barbarity and injustice of a philosophy like ISLAM [which e.g. sanctions, and makes it lawful [in ISLAMIC law] for moslems to kill [i.e. MURDER!!] their own children], would we want moslems around us, and to have moslems seeking to impose their BARBARIC philosophy upon us ???

ISLAM, is a death cult, moslems have chosen to embrace that death cult.

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of those who do not believe, as they believe.




I, as an Australian, reject ISLAM, and i reject its religious call to subjugate me, to ISLAM's incessant and sick urgent desire for the political supremacism, worldwide, of ISLAM.



"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Koran 9.29

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123




If moslems want ISLAM, then let them seek 'political asylum' and sanctuary, in >> moslem << countries like Egypt...

"The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal."

Morsi - Recently elected PRESIDENT of Egypt.
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #110 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:43am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Dec 18th, 2011 at 5:21pm:
... wrote on Dec 15th, 2011 at 3:50pm:
I've been wondering - what possesses a western man to make him convert to islam?


Perhaps we're looking for a better way of life than the downward spiral that is Western secular democracy?

Not everyone wants to run themselves into the ground becoming a slave to their own desires




LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.




Abu,

When we examine the conduct of moslems today [and 'yesterday'], when we examine the doctrines of ISLAM, then your protestations [in isolation] about Western society being "slaves to their own desires" is an absurdity,
......when it is clear that you are ignoring the behaviour of moslem men, who are tainted by the exact same vices as Western men.



e.g.
Quote:

"....Islamic leaders routinely castigate the West for its immorality, but their alternative is this veneer of morality covering barbarity, brutality, and the use of women as commodities.
........"We want our youth to be protected from adultery," said Al-Mutairi, suggesting that these maids could be brought as prisoners of war in war-stricken nations like Chechnya to be sold on later to devout [i.e. moslem] merchants.
This is not religiously forbidden," she added,"



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-leg...

i.e.
In the article above, ISLAMISTS are saying, that the keeping of captive [non-moslem] women [within Sharia jurisdictions] as sex slaves, is completely 'lawful' within ISLAM.
And that raping those sex slaves [female captives] is halal [i.e. kosher].
see also...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-g...



FURTHER....

If we examine the sunna of Mohammed, it is clear that Mohammed himself, and his companions too, WERE "slaves to their own desires".

Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.



And it is the testimony of ISLAMIC texts which attest to the fact, that Mohammed and his companions WERE "slaves to their own desires".

Moslems today, ARE "slaves to their own desires".



THE FACT IS THAT...
Allah allows moslem men to rape female [non-moslem] captives.

Moslem logic exposed;

Q.
WHY SO?
Why does Allah permit moslem men to rape female [non-moslem] captives ???

A.
Allah makes it 'LAWFUL' for moslem men to rape female [non-moslem] captives, so as to protect those moslem men from committing adultery and being guilty of moral corruption.

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.

Adultery AND moral corruption, is bad, and punishable by death within ISLAMIC law.

But it is halal [kosher] for a moslem man, to rape female [non-moslem] captives.

And Allah says that that, is moral behaviour.

Go figure.....



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Mohammed's example, in the Hadith provides the proof to moslems that moslem men can 'lawfully' have non-consensual sex with their female captives....


n.b. THESE WORDS [below] ARE DIRECTLY QUOTED FROM THE HADITH [i.e. the sunnah of Mohammed]

Quote:

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"

"and we desired them"

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them
"



"Rape your 'war booty', its OK, say ISLAMIC texts"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251760605/0#0


Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.




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Moslem logic exposed;

Hey Abu,

Q.
When we can see that moslems today [and 'yesterday'], clearly ARE and WERE "slaves to their own desires", what makes you, or any moslem man, unlike Western men ???

Oh right, YOU ARE MOSLEMS, AND YOU FOLLOW ISLAM.
.....so you moslems think that you are are meritorious [irrespective of the conduct], BECAUSE YOU ARE MOSLEMS.


Right?

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.



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Reply #111 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:47am
 
n.b.
The Koran states...... that Mohammed is a wonderful example for all muslims to follow [his deceit?].
.....[the veracity of such a self-aggrandising statement, seeing that Mohammed himself received this 'revelation' from Allah, about his own virtue, is worth considering].

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
Koran 33.021





My advice to moslems is to consider;
If you yourself follow Mohammed's example, in this life,
.....then when your life is over, surely you can also expect go to that same place, where Muhammad is?

Allah's paradise ???

Remember, that Mohammed was a confirmed liar, and murderer.


ISLAMIC texts, attest to that fact.
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Reply #112 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:49am
 

ISLAM;

Any organisation which teaches its members that it is lawful for its own members to kill those outside of its group, should be banned [by an act of the Australian parliament].


Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."



ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb




A moslem = = is a person who is a member of a group/community of persons, and who embrace a violent political philosophy [which portrays itself as a justice-based 'religious' philosophy], but which encourages intimidation and extreme violence as 'acts of religious faith', against persons who do not believe as they believe.

Who is a moslem ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


ISLAM should have its 'religion' status stripped from it, and ISLAM, and its practise in Australia should be proscribed [banned] by law.

Why so ?

Because ISLAM is a violent political philosophy [which masquerades as, and portrays itself as, a justice-based 'religious' philosophy].

Because ISLAM is a political philosophy which legitimises [i.e. MAKES LAWFUL!!] political violence against anyone, who oppose the political aspirations of moslems!

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Reply #113 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:51am
 

What Australia SHOULD DO [and which is just as unlikely to happen],
is that the Australian government should declare ISLAM to be a proscribed organisation - in Australia.

Dictionary;
proscribe = = forbid, especially by law.      denounce or condemn.

And then arrest any and every person who self declares as a moslem, and intern them using force [until they can arrange their own exit from Australia].

Why so ?

Why should Australia declare ISLAM a proscribed organisation, in Australia ?

Because 'MAINSTREAM' ISLAM legitimises [and encourages] criminal violence against all non-moslems, against everyone who is outside of the moslem 'camp'.

Because ISLAM legitimises oppressing non-moslems [within a moslem majority jurisdiction] and imposing the status of cattle upon everyone who is outside of the moslem 'camp'.

Because it is the purposeful intention of moslems within Australia, to destroy the laws of this country, and to forcefully impose Sharia law upon us - making us the slaves of moslems.




The only thing which is protecting us [at this time] from the moslem intent of active violence against us, are Australian laws, and our will to enforce those laws.

But it is the intention of moslems living in Australia to destroy our society, and to destroy the institutions and laws which protect our peace and our liberties.




And if we let them do so
, moslems will destroy our society.

That is their intent.

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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #114 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:52am
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:19pm:

I call for the lawful judgement, of a group of people who are seeking to change Australia, so as to make moslem violence, and moslem murder [of those who are not moslems] a lawful act.

I want ISLAM to become a proscribed organisation in Australia [and in other western nations].


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