Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:01pm:




Er... why ask the question then?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:42pm:

Not all, there are atheists who hate religion because they were indoctrinated that way by the state.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 12:20am:

Depends, he was more against "the rabinical mind"(dogma) and the "prostitution of god"(money lenders).

Phillip wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:58pm:




Yes, God seeks our humility.

And our repentance, as a sign of that humility.

Who are God's ppl?

Metaphorically, and throughout the Bible, God's ppl are referred to as, 'the 'Children of Israel'.

"Galatians 4:24  Which things are an allegory:"
....to us.

Only the 'Children of Israel' [God's ppl] will be redeemed by God.

We are God's ppl, we are the 'Children of Israel', if we choose to be.






Every choice we make, has a consequence.

And the wicked, seeing, see not.

That is the wisdom of God.

God is wise, men are foolish.

Men do not see, they are blind!



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Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


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THOSE WHO ARE 'ISRAEL' [GOD'S PPL], WILL BE REDEEMED.


Read Isaiah, describing those who wait for God....


Isaiah 26:8
Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O LORD, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee.
9  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
10  Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.
11  LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.


Isaiah 26:17
Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.
18  We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
19  Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20  Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21  For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.





look again at my first post in this thread......

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226445495/0#0

Phillip wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 12:18am:


What about Atheists who love religions? Don't people who use the term to describe themselves actually depend somewhat on religion for their self description?

It's a bit like 'vegetarian'. If there were no human carnivores, we wouldn't need the term. To define somebody as a vegetarian, you first need to have people who eat meat. If everybody was a vegetarian then the word would become redundant.

Phillip wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:58pm:




Phillip,

This cannot be referring to Christians.

I know that this is true, because it say's as much in the Koran.

The Koran states that Christians are not arrogant ppl, but studious.

And the Koran is inerrant.
......[so muslims yell me]

Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:56am:



Stratos,

I thought that this thread was more appropriate.

Sorry about all of the lines.......







Deuteronomy 20:16
But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17  But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18  That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.


Yes, my God is very harsh and very cruel to his enemies.



If my God will kill his enemies [or give that authority to others], what can i say against that ?


Luke 19:12
....A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13  And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14  But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15  And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16  Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17  And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18  And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19  And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20  And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21  For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22  And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23  Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24  And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25  (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26  For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27  But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.





Q.
What do i think of all of the violence committed by men ?


A.
If men will take to themselves the authority of God [to take life] so as to kill their enemies, those men must answer to God.

And yes, Christians [and Jews] have taken to themselves the authority of God [to take life], because Christians [and Jews] wanted to kill their enemies, and those men must answer to God.

And moslems too have taken to themselves the authority of God [to take life], because moslems wanted to kill their enemies [and the enemies of Allah], and those moslems must answer to God.




Q.
Is there any satisfaction in that we must wait for God to exact revenge for us ?

I suppose that depends upon whether you believe that God exists.


Revelation 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Stratos wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 10:03pm:





Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.





Stratos,

You are on man's 'team'.

You are on man's 'team', because you believe that men have the right to rule themselves.

And by the way, how is that going ???




Men, mankind, are in rebellion against God, against his authority to rule them.

Well, go for it!!!



Stratos,

Men, are proud, vain, greedy, and cruel,    ....and oh yes, men can be ruthlessly violent too, murdering millions of their fellows.

But you are still 'rooting' for men, because men have rights too!       


Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.



Do you think that you are wiser, or stronger, than God ?

Men do.

Men, always have believed that.



Stratos,

Believe that if you will.

Men are dumb [we are foolish, vain, angry, 'children' who have refused instruction] !





Me ???

Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

I trust God.







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Jeremiah 18:1
The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
3  Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4  And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5  Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6  O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7  At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8  If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9  And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10  If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.



Romans 9:18
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19  Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?