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Reply #90 - Dec 9th, 2013 at 1:50pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 8:47am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 6:54am:
ALL religions think they are God's Chosen People.....otherwise, what's the point in being a member??


True gizmo.

But;
'My God is bigger, than his god.'           Wink          Cheesy          Grin



How blasphemous!  Are you likening your Christian God to your penis?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #91 - Dec 9th, 2013 at 1:52pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 10:03am:
I've heard it said that only God is capable of true creation...  I remember once when the Koran was discussed in relation to the Bible...  and how it was postulated that the Koran is a creation of Satan, who is incapable of true original creation and as the "Prince of Liars" based it on earlier teachings twisted into a confusing tome of lies and half-truths.
It was also noted that there could be no better way, to sow the seeds of disharmony and set up an end times confrontation.


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Really?  Who told you that?  Some Christian preacher?   

So, the real Grendel is showing through - a consumer of Christian brand opiate!  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin
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Reply #92 - Dec 9th, 2013 at 1:55pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 7th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
There are lots of ignorant people in the world bwian...  just go check your closest mirror.


Yes there are and it appears you're now stepping out of your closet!  Fundamental Christian!   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #93 - Dec 9th, 2013 at 3:31pm
 
Happy for you to do what you've so far been completely incapable of Jnr...  ever proving anything I say wrong.

Cheesy Grin Cheesy Roll Eyes

For your information and yes I know it is a waste of my time...  I am nothing like a fundamentalist Christian.

So it seems you are completely wrong again... Cheesy
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Reply #94 - Dec 9th, 2013 at 8:45pm
 
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Again though, how do you know which things are gospel truth?  Or is it down to personal interpretation, and you can pick and choose at will (including things like women not talking in church, or making pariahs of people who have left the faith)?  Also, the whole thing of the spirit is referring to one of two things, the Holy Spirit (good) and demonic influences (bad).  Surely you aren't suggesting that the Bible was written by people who were inspired by demons?


I suppose most Christians would be capable of determining whether certain verses belong to another era a couple of thousand years ago, and adapt to the modern enlightened society of today.

As for your demons bit, I don't think so, just overzealous men putting their authoritarian slant on things.

Western society has progressed nicely, unlike muslims we are not shackled to the past.

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These things are not typical of an Islamic believer.  While they may be able to be justified (you would have to ask someone more knowledgeable than I), the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with any of these practices.


Like I said when the muslims and their apologists start telling the truth, and lay the blame for islamic atrocities, where it belongs: islam / allah / muhammad /qur'an is the root cause of all islamic atrocities.

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Have you condemned Yadda for his support of genocide based on his Christian beliefs yet?


Does Yadda support genocide? You'll have to bring me up to speed on this. I recall Yadda posting along the lines of, he had no problems with accepting what had happened in Deuteronomy about 3000 years ago.

However I live in present and look to the future

I am more worried about the actual words of allah, which are causing all the bloodshed around the globe today 2013
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #95 - Dec 10th, 2013 at 12:13am
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 8:47am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 6:54am:
ALL religions think they are God's Chosen People.....otherwise, what's the point in being a member??


True gizmo.

But;
'My God is bigger, than his god.'           Wink          Cheesy          Grin



But it's the same God....just the messenger's interpretations are different.
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Reply #96 - Dec 10th, 2013 at 12:05pm
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 3:31pm:
Happy for you to do what you've so far been completely incapable of Jnr...  ever proving anything I say wrong.

Cheesy Grin Cheesy Roll Eyes

For your information and yes I know it is a waste of my time...  I am nothing like a fundamentalist Christian.

So it seems you are completely wrong again... Cheesy



I love how you couch your criticisms in, "I've been told...", "I've heard..."  Subtle but in reality just the same fundamentalist Christian bullsh!t peddled by bigots.  At least most of the bigots here don't rely on hearsay, I'll grant them that.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #97 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 5:45pm
 
The Great Satan doing his evil work against Islam. 
WARNING!
May offend some Muslims.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99p6l8v0FQ#t=189
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #98 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:58pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 12:05pm:
Grendel wrote on Dec 9th, 2013 at 3:31pm:
Happy for you to do what you've so far been completely incapable of Jnr...  ever proving anything I say wrong.

Cheesy Grin Cheesy Roll Eyes

For your information and yes I know it is a waste of my time...  I am nothing like a fundamentalist Christian.

So it seems you are completely wrong again... Cheesy



I love how you couch your criticisms in, "I've been told...", "I've heard..."  Subtle but in reality just the same fundamentalist Christian bullsh!t peddled by bigots.  At least most of the bigots here don't rely on hearsay, I'll grant them that.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin

You mean "bigots" and "fundamentalists" you are incapable of proving wrong... Cheesy
There is one very active group of Bigots here Jnr and they all wear the family cap...
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The Bwaintwust...
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #99 - Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:29pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 5:45pm:
The Great Satan doing his evil work against Islam. 
WARNING!
May offend some Muslims.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99p6l8v0FQ#t=189


How is this "working against Islam", Soren?

It may offend some Christians too, you realise?  Roll Eyes
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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #100 - Dec 27th, 2013 at 8:15pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:29pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 5:45pm:
The Great Satan doing his evil work against Islam. 
WARNING!
May offend some Muslims.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99p6l8v0FQ#t=189


How is this "working against Islam", Soren?





It's life-affirming.

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Re: Are muslims God's people?
Reply #101 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 12:17am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:29pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 5:45pm:
The Great Satan doing his evil work against Islam. 
WARNING!
May offend some Muslims.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99p6l8v0FQ#t=189


How is this "working against Islam", Soren?

It may offend some Christians too, you realise?  Roll Eyes



Soren wouldn't realise if his little ass was on fire.

Is vaseline flammable?

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Reply #102 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:14am
 
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ISLAM is a corrupt and corrupting criminal [by our laws] philosophy.
ISLAM creates 'moslems'.

moslems = = human sewage


ISLAM produces only [political] corruption, [political] oppression, injustice, human poverty, and, dead bodies.
The truth is that ISLAM is an evil philosophy, which, imo, 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.
And ISLAM is spread by moslems.


We should not seek to destroy what is wicked....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388087903/24#24






NOT SO!!!!

Just ask a moslem!




THE CLAIMS;
Moslems insist that ISLAM, is a/the perfect religion, given to moslems by Allah.
Moslems insist that they, moslems, are afforded human virtue, because they follow ISLAM.



"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110



Moslems claim that their community are the rightly guided people.
Moslems claim that, among mankind, they, moslems and their community, are the only virtuous people, because moslems worship Allah and follow ISLAM.
Moslems insist, and it is a primary doctrine of ISLAM, that all mankind must be compelled to worship Allah and be subject [subjugated!] to the dictates of ISLAM and moslems.




Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...








Chimp_Logic wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 8:44pm:

You have to admit that Muslim people are way ahead of citizens in western nations, when it comes to morality and integrity of character.


The statistics and obvious results of Islam proves this without a shadow of a doubt.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #103 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:16am
 
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This 8 year old Yemeni 'wife' was continually raped by her lawful husband.





April 11, 2008
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen
.....SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man......
.......Whenever I wanted to play in the yard he beat me and asked me to go to the bedroom with him. This lasted for two months," added Nasser. "He was too tough with me, and whenever I asked him for mercy, he beat me and slapped me and then used me.



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231993677/36#36
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315270914/16#16
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1236217597/2#2
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1302177029/3#3
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #104 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 5:32am
 
FROM THE 'PERSPECTIVE' OF THE MOSLEM;


THIS, IS ISLAM;


Chimp_Logic wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 8:44pm:

You have to admit that Muslim people are way ahead of citizens in western nations, when it comes to morality and integrity of character.


The statistics and obvious results of Islam proves this without a shadow of a doubt.

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ISLAM does not afford human virtue, to man, nor to any moslem, imo.



What ISLAM does do,
is to 'sanctify' virtually every criminal act you could imagine, whenever those criminal acts are committed against Allah's enemies [i.e. against virtually everyone who is not a moslem].



You see, the ummah [the worldwide moslem community] are a closed community [in law, i.e. in moslem law].

To ISLAMIC law [to good moslems!], those persons outside the ummah have the status of cattle.

Those outside the ummah [non-moslems] can live, while they are 'useful' to moslems, but they are not 'protected' [in law].

as per....
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11




What ISLAM does, is to make criminal acts lawful, to a moslem.

e.g.
ISLAM makes Political oppression [i.e. tyranny], lawful, to the moslem.
ISLAM makes Theft of property, lawful, to the moslem.
ISLAM makes Robbery, lawful, to the moslem.
ISLAM makes Rape, lawful, to the moslem.
ISLAM makes Threatening intimidation and assault, lawful, to the moslem.
ISLAM makes Inciting murder, lawful, to the moslem.
ISLAM makes Actual murder, lawful, to the moslem.



And, child rape ?


Because of the example of Mohammed [i.e. because it was lawful for Mohammed to marry a 6 year old girl, and 'consummate' that marriage when the girl was 9 years old];
ISLAM makes child marriage [and therefore Child Rape], lawful, to an adult moslem man.



So you see, ISLAM does not create virtue in a man [i.e. in the moslem], ISLAM simply makes virtually all criminal behaviour, 'lawful'!

i.e.
ISLAM 'legitimises' what other men, and other political jurisdictions, would regard as criminal behaviour.

And, child rape ?
- child rape is 'legitimised', by ISLAM.



What ISLAM does is to make criminal acts 'lawful', to the person who self-declares;

"I am a moslem."
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ISLAMIC law makes lawful such crimes - as rape, plunder and murder, so long as such criminal behaviour is committed by moslems, in the name of 'the cause of Allah', against any person who is not a moslem.i
ISLAM makes lawful the [sexual] exploitation and abuse of young female children, when a moslem man LAWFULLY marries such female children.


Commonly in [many] Sharia jurisdictions, young female children [as young as 8 years old] and an adult moslem man, can be lawfully married - even when such a young female child [as young as 8 years old] has no capacity to give her informed consent to such a 'union'.

ISLAMIC law declares that the silence of a young female child, constitutes lawful consent.




COMMENT;
Do you begin to understand now, the manner in which the authority of ISLAM, makes criminal behaviour, by moslem men, lawful ?


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