Soren wrote on Nov 14
th, 2008 at 8:16pm:
Sam wrote on Nov 14
th, 2008 at 7:31pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 13
th, 2008 at 8:29pm:
Mohammedan is correct.
Mohammedan is incorrect on numerous counts:
i. Muslims worship Allah, not Muhammad (s). Muhammad (s) is the last in a line of Prophets, from Adam through Moses and Abraham, whom we believe all worshiped a single God. Since most people are familiar with the fact that Christians worship Christ, then it follows that they will mistakingly infer that Mohammedans worship Muhammad, a'uthubillah.
ii. Allah confirms in the Qur'an that the religion is called Islam:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. [5:3]iii. The word Muslim and Islam are linked in grammar. If Islam is the religion, then according to grammatical rules of Arabic person who follows Islam is called a "Muslim".
iv. It should be sufficient that Muslims themselves have stated clearly that they do not want nor like the term, whether you find it fitting it or not. For example, I find the term "man-worshipers" accurately describes the practice of the majority of Christians, but would understand if they were offended by it.
If your intention is simply to annoy Muslims, then really, that type of name calling is something best left to primary school children.
Mohammedan is the only correct term for those who do not accept islam.
i. Bollocks. Mohammedan is a follower of Mohammed. Lutherans don't worship Luther, they fololw him.
ii. Allah-Schmalla. By stealth you try to smuggle the authority of the koran and Allah deity into all our lives.
iii. I have no view on what the arabs say in arabic among themselves.
iv. Newspeak. I do not believe that Allah is a god nor, therefore, that Mohammed is his prophet. So the only point where we agree is that Mohammed is an example to you. So Mohammedan you are. No shamee in that, is there?
Talking about primary school when you can't have your way is a telling Freudian flash of self-revealing.
(Thank you Sigmund.)
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soren- I think the thing that is causing issues here is that, personally, I do not see using a term that will not offend others as something that will a) take away my freedom of speech or b) start some brainwashing process
rather I see it as a kind of basic respect for others- why go out of my way to use a term that will offend other people?
obviously in using it you wish to make a point- that you don't believe in islam, that you believe muhammed isn't a prophet and therefore that islam is not the path to god. and that's fine- you can believe that and no worries at all- but I guess my point is, that your stance is quite well known here especially.
do you feel it necessary to continue to use the terminology when you know it may offend others?
because I get the feeling that your interest is more towards venting your spleen through whatever way possible, as opposed to getting along with others (note that this does not mean that you can't disagree).
I think (excuse me if I'm wrong) that you see acquiescing to someone elses request for respect etc- is like saying 'ok I bow to your will whatever it may be- go ahead and take over the world'- that's a pretty massive jump
if that's the case then there's not much more that can be said- because that is your attitude. but if this isn't the case, then maybe you should have a re-think
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