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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy
Reply #30 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:41pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:40pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:34pm:
Everyone has to submit to God's will at some point. For you it will probably not be until the day of judgement Sad



I said Koran, did I not?
Not the same thing.


'I have absolutely no reason to submit to or go by what the Koran says.'
To submit to the Qur'an IS to submit to Allah [swt]. Wink
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Reply #31 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:41pm
 
Lots of English words were latin or have latin roots and germanic etc, etc etc...  no need to build a strawman in order to try to make me seem wrong.

Just makes you look stupid.

Infidel...  English.

as for "Nope there are none"...  I'm sorry...  just how brainwashed are you?  Trad's translations prove there are as do the translations of various TV shows from the ME etc.  Calling someone an ape of a pig is not derogatory?  Calling a whole people sewage is not derogatory?  You need help.

You are in denial of the truth...  I don't make things up and I don't lie...  Sadly you prove often that you are either ignorant in denial or a liar.  take your pick.
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Reply #32 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:43pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:38pm:
Gaybriel, please file. And two coffees, please.





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Reply #33 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:43pm
 
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:39pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:38pm:
Gaybriel, please file.

What's this mean?



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226564678/0#0





And a coffee for Daniel, too, please.

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Reply #34 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:44pm
 
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as for "Nope there are none"...  I'm sorry...  just how brainwashed are you?  Trad's translations prove there are as do the translations of various TV shows from the ME etc.  Calling someone an ape of a pig is not derogatory?  Calling a whole people sewage is not derogatory?  You need help.

For those of us with no clue what you're talking about would you like to back up what you're saying with quotes or sources, or are you content in ambiguity?
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You are in denial of the truth...  I don't make things up and I don't lie...  Sadly you proove often that you are either ignorant in denial or a liar.  take your pick.

For those of us who know what you're refering to, but see it as being quite out of context would you like to back up what you're saying with quotes or sources, or are you content in ambiguity?
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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy
Reply #35 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:43pm:
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:39pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:38pm:
Gaybriel, please file.

What's this mean?



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226564678/0#0





And a coffee for Daniel, too, please.


I'll go a green tea, actually, thanks. Smiley
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Reply #36 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:46pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:06pm:
Gaybriel,

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I do agree about infidel and kuffar


Infidel is not an Islamic word at all, and I doubt you'd find too many Muslims using it. It's actually a Christian word, but since Christianity became largely abandoned during the secularisation, the churches ceased using it, because it didn't help to bring back the 'lost sheep of the flock'.

As for kafir, it simply means 'one who covers over', in this case, one who covers over the truth about their Creator. It's not a nasty word and should not be taken offensively, other than the fact that it denotes denial of the one who created you.


it may not be an islamic word- but it has been contextualised to the point where it is now heavily associated with islam and terrorism (more specifically)

as to kuffar- I understand the word, I have been lucky enough to hear an analysis of it at the Annual Islamic Council Conference (right name?) in Melbourne.

my point is- that the perception of this word, is that it is offensive. so if you know someone takes offense to it, why not just use something else when talking to that person.

similarly if soren knows that mohammedan is offensive to muslims- then why use it in the presence of muslims?
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Reply #37 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:52pm
 
Well Daniel, not sure it exists on the Net anymore...  but Trad did lots of Translation and editorial stuff for the Islamic Youth Group...  
I'll have a look and see If I can find it again.  Been a few years since i bothered.

Oh and Daniel...  i was referring to his entire post...  in fact that could be in ref to just about all his posts.
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Reply #38 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:54pm
 
Daniel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:41pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:40pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:34pm:
Everyone has to submit to God's will at some point. For you it will probably not be until the day of judgement Sad



I said Koran, did I not?
Not the same thing.


'I have absolutely no reason to submit to or go by what the Koran says.'
To submit to the Qur'an IS to submit to Allah [swt]. Wink



Well, you put your finger on all our difficulties, dear boy. We don't seem to get all the people to come around to your way of seeing  things. "What is to be done?", I hear you echo a famous man who was facing the same kind of difficulty. I guess your answer wouldn't be far from his.







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Reply #39 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:58pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:43pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:38pm:
Gaybriel, please file. And two coffees, please.





my days are a receptionist are over! over!!! I DON'T WANNA GO BACK!! NOOOOOOOO!

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You scaring the new customers.


Well, alright, and make one for yourself, too.
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Reply #40 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:05pm
 

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my point is- that the perception of this word, is that it is offensive. so if you know someone takes offense to it, why not just use something else when talking to that person.


I generally don't use it when talking to non-Muslims anyway. I think you'd struggle to find me having used it on this forum.

Howeve,r it does exist as a concept in Islam, and I really can't see anything being wrong with it. It's not a misnomer like Mohammedan is. But I agree with your point on percetions and taking offence.
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Reply #41 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:05pm
 
[quote author=soren2 link=1226574172/30#39 date=1226581133
You scaring the new customers.


Well, alright, and make one for yourself, too.
[/quote]

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only if I get a biscuit *hmph*
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Reply #42 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:10pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:46pm:
[quote author=abu_rashid link=1226574172/15#18 date=1226577983]

mohammedan is offensive to muslims



When was this explained?
(I musta ducked out for a coffee)


If all claims to the divinity of the Koran and Islam as a whole are not acccepted, then the only thing left of it is that its partisans follow Mohammed. This is objective, non-judgemental and conveys precisely the extent of agreement.
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Reply #43 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:12pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:05pm:
[quote author=soren2 link=1226574172/30#39 date=1226581133
You scaring the new customers.


Well, alright, and make one for yourself, too.


Angry

only if I get a biscuit *hmph* [/quote]


OK, but no cigar.

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph
Reply #44 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:10pm:
Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13th, 2008 at 10:46pm:
[quote author=abu_rashid link=1226574172/15#18 date=1226577983]

mohammedan is offensive to muslims



When was this explained?
(I musta ducked out for a coffee)


If all claims to the divinity of the Koran and Islam as a whole are not acccepted, then the only thing left of it is that its partisans follow Mohammed. This is objective, non-judgemental and conveys precisely the extent of agreement.

We follow Muhammad [saws], in the sense that we follow the message he relayed for Allah [swt].
We do not worship Muhammad.
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