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Gaybriel

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph
Reply #45 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:49pm

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:10pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:46pm:

[quote author=abu_rashid link=1226574172/15#18 date=1226577983]

mohammedan is offensive to muslims

When was this explained?
(I musta ducked out for a coffee)

If all claims to the divinity of the Koran and Islam as a whole are not acccepted, then the only thing left of it is that its partisans follow Mohammed. This is objective, non-judgemental and conveys precisely the extent of agreement.

well firstly I prefixed it with an 'if'- although I do believe muslims find it offensive

apart from that- daniel in another thread requested it not to be used

similarly the quotes I gave from edward said said it was offensive

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph
Reply #46 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:56pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:49pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:10pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:46pm:

[quote author=abu_rashid link=1226574172/15#18 date=1226577983]

mohammedan is offensive to muslims

When was this explained?
(I musta ducked out for a coffee)

If all claims to the divinity of the Koran and Islam as a whole are not acccepted, then the only thing left of it is that its partisans follow Mohammed. This is objective, non-judgemental and conveys precisely the extent of agreement.

well firstly I prefixed it with an 'if'- although I do believe muslims find it offensive

apart from that- daniel in another thread requested it not to be used

similarly the quotes I gave from edward said said it was offensive

Why is it offensive to be identified as a follower of Mohammed, especially if none of the other tenets are shared or accepted?
Follower of Mohammed (Mohammedan) is a common ground.

Edward Said was a charlatan.

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph
Reply #47 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:57pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:49pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:10pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:46pm:

[quote author=abu_rashid link=1226574172/15#18 date=1226577983]

mohammedan is offensive to muslims

When was this explained?
(I musta ducked out for a coffee)

If all claims to the divinity of the Koran and Islam as a whole are not acccepted, then the only thing left of it is that its partisans follow Mohammed. This is objective, non-judgemental and conveys precisely the extent of agreement.

well firstly I prefixed it with an 'if'- although I do believe muslims find it offensive

apart from that- daniel in another thread requested it not to be used

similarly the quotes I gave from edward said said it was offensive

I find offensive when people say that there is only one god.
If they stop doing this we can have a trade off.

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Phillip

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph
Reply #48 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 12:36am

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:56pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:49pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:10pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:46pm:

[quote author=abu_rashid link=1226574172/15#18 date=1226577983]

mohammedan is offensive to muslims

When was this explained?
(I musta ducked out for a coffee)

If all claims to the divinity of the Koran and Islam as a whole are not acccepted, then the only thing left of it is that its partisans follow Mohammed. This is objective, non-judgemental and conveys precisely the extent of agreement.

well firstly I prefixed it with an 'if'- although I do believe muslims find it offensive

apart from that- daniel in another thread requested it not to be used

similarly the quotes I gave from edward said said it was offensive

Why is it offensive to be identified as a follower of Mohammed, especially if none of the other tenets are shared or accepted?
Follower of Mohammed (Mohammedan) is a common ground.

Edward Said was a charlatan.

1stly its offensive because it infers that we worship a man not god.

and Edward Said was a recognized lecturer and scholar in the USA. When you get as much, then go and criticize him

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #49 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 11:17am Quote: 1stly its offensive because it infers that we worship a man not god. It infers following, not worshipping.
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Reply #50 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 12:17pm

Well I agree with Soren and you fd. it was a term used to describe Muslims.

Christians Christianity... same thing. Jesuits anyone?

I'm happy to use the contemporary term.

As for Islamophobia... it's created by the behaviour of Moslems or Muslims take your pick. But the self fulfilling part is that brought about by Muslims and their adherence/preoccupation with victimhood.

If they think other lands are better and they would be treated better there then stop coming to the West and go live elsewhere. If you were born here and think Islam is better and Islamic states are better then migrate.

Good luck to you and have a wonderful life.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #51 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 3:02pm Grendel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 12:17pm: Good luck to you and have a wonderful life. This actually means mod: rearranging the letters in a curse word doesn't make it any less of a curse word , nicely. Sorry, had a touch of the Gordon Ramseys.
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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph
Reply #52 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 4:32pm

Phillip wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 12:36am:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:56pm:

1stly its offensive because it infers that we worship a man not god.

and Edward Said was a recognized lecturer and scholar in the USA. When you get as much, then go and criticize him

Don't be ridiculous.
We (well, I) don't have to swallow everything any academic might say.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #53 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 6:31pm No that's true academics are not necessarily too bright just academics... and academic snobbery is rife.
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Daniel New Member Offline La illaha illAllah! Posts: 29 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #54 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 9:05pm Grendel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 6:31pm: No that's true academics are not necessarily too bright just academics... and academic snobbery is rife. Take Dawkin's for example. He's an 'academic'...
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5695	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #55 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 9:09pm Daniel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 9:05pm: Grendel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 6:31pm: No that's true academics are not necessarily too bright just academics... and academic snobbery is rife. Take Dawkin's for example. He's an 'academic'... Just another Prophet. Has his own book too.
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Reply #56 - Nov 15^th, 2008 at 3:48pm

Daniel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 9:05pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 6:31pm:

No that's true academics are not necessarily too bright just academics... and academic snobbery is rife.

Take Dawkin's for example.
He's an 'academic'...

Or take Hassan Diab, the Lebanese academic in Canada who has been arrested for the Paris Synagogue bombing in 1980.
Academics, eh?

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=b321a3ab-9713-45c7-a4e9-a...

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Phillip Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 66	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph Reply #57 - Nov 15^th, 2008 at 6:33pm Soren wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 4:32pm: Phillip wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 12:36am: Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 11:56pm: Don't be ridiculous. We (well, I) don't have to swallow everything any academic might say. Its about credibility, in my book he has more of it than you do.
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Phillip Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 66	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #58 - Nov 15^th, 2008 at 6:34pm Grendel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 6:31pm: No that's true academics are not necessarily too bright just academics... and academic snobbery is rife. true but its more rife on internet forums from what i have seen.
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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling proph
Reply #59 - Nov 15^th, 2008 at 6:44pm

Phillip wrote on Nov 15^th, 2008 at 6:33pm:

Its about credibility, in my book he has more of it than you do.

Well, only you read your book.

Said invented orientalism but remained in the west. Guess the money was too good... No 'oriental' university thought him good enough to invite him - or he didd not think them good enough, the orientalist swine. Only the americans would give him complete freedom to speak and write, even if he did so against the west.
And then as an [mod: no need for that kind of potty talk] he goes back to israel for some publicity photos of himsslef throwing rocks at tanks. What a [mod: no need for that kind of potty talk]
Not an unusual case, though.

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