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abu_rashid

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Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy
Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:02pm

Since Muslims in Australia are growing at a fairly strong rate, and even cuts in immigration are very unlikely to curb this, due to conversion rates (we know deep down this is what the fear is based around). And also considering that it's only a matter of time before a Caliphate is eventually re-established in the world. Wouldn't it be wise not to engage in anti-Islamic rhetoric like the kind freediver et al. are engaged in on this forum?

It seems that all the hostility towards islam is like a self-fulfilling prophecy. We don't want peace with muslims, we don't want co-existence with them, and we're going to slander, abuse, criticise and niggle out every little negative aspect to it we can find and invent those we can't, until we've completely turned Muslims into the hating machines we reckon them to be..

It seems some people really want this conflict of 'civilisations' to occur, at all costs.

Just my thoughts on the way people on this forum seem to behave.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #1 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:13pm Love the almost absent-minded, oscar wilde-ish menace of " Wouldn't it be wise". Well, to answer you briefly - it just goes to show ya, the vikings are even madder than the mohammedans.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #2 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:15pm Quote: Wouldn't it be wise not to engage in anti-Islamic rhetoric like the kind freediver et al. are engaged in on this forum? You mean like asking difficult questions? Wouldn't it be wise to come up with a satisfactory answer to those difficult questions?
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Reply #3 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:23pm

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:13pm:

Love the almost absent-minded, oscar wilde-ish menace of " Wouldn't it be wise".

Well, to answer you briefly - it just goes to show ya, the vikings are even madder than the mohammedans.

Could you please not refer to us as 'Mohammadans'? It just shows your sheer lack of knowledge and credentials to speak on Islam in the first place. You said in another thread that it was reminiscent to how the Christians follow Christ, but there's a lil more too it than that. We are Muslims.
While we do follow Muhammad's [saws] example, he was chosen from all of mankind to relay the perfect way of life as a messenger from Allah [swt].

We worship Allah [swt], and have great love and respect for Muhammad [saws].

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #4 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:26pm Welcome to OzPolitic Daniel. What's this about credentials? What does saws and swt mean?
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Reply #5 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:31pm

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You mean like asking difficult questions?

No, I mean like asking questions that are aimed at discovering some kind of perceived hidden doctrine of Islam that is hiding, waiting for the Caliphate to be established, so it can spring forth and enslave all of humanity through deception... blah blah blah.

And all the other nonsense you go on about and formulate your loaded questions around.

You're really becoming like some kind of "ambassador of ill will".

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Reply #6 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:33pm

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

Welcome to OzPolitic Daniel.

What's this about credentials? What does saws and swt mean?

I've seen Soren on Muslim forums before. He seems to think he knows a lot more than he really does, to be honest.

swt and saws are abbreviations.

SWT [Subhana wa ta'ala] - Most high
SAWS [Sulallahu alayhi wa salam] - Peace be upon him

Thank you for the welcome.

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Reply #7 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:37pm

Well I think you are paranoid and delusional.
It would be nice to get answers to everything asked for a change and drop the smokescreens and victim-hood crap.
It would be nice not to be threatened and censored and banned for dissent or asking what appears to be questions to difficult for you to face.

Abbreviations eh Daniel.. well who'd a thunk... Shocked

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy
Reply #8 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:38pm

Daniel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:23pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:13pm:

Love the almost absent-minded, oscar wilde-ish menace of " Wouldn't it be wise".

Well, to answer you briefly - it just goes to show ya, the vikings are even madder than the mohammedans.

Could you please not refer to us as 'Mohammadans'? It just shows your sheer lack of knowledge and credentials to speak on Islam in the first place. You said in another thread that it was reminiscent to how the Christians follow Christ, but there's a lil more too it than that. We are Muslims.
While we do follow Muhammad's [saws] example, he was chosen from all of mankind to relay the perfect way of life as a messenger from Allah [swt].

We worship Allah [swt], and have great love and respect for Muhammad [saws].

Well, put it down to my incorrigible ignorance.
Old dog and all that.

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy
Reply #9 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:41pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:37pm:

Well I think you are paranoid and delusional.
It would be nice to get answers to everything asked for a change and drop the smokescreens and victim-hood crap.
It would be nice not to be threatened and censored and banned for dissent or asking what appears to be questions to difficult for you to face.

Abbreviations eh Daniel.. well who'd a thunk... Shocked

Well, I could have told him to go to google, but either way.
I haven't seen any questions to answer. So, I'm hardly running away from anything because it's 'difficult to face', nor am I playing the victim. I'm merely pointing out what I've noticed for Soren's patterns on other forums.
paranoid and delusional? Why? Cause you don't agree with me? Absurd stuff, ladies and gentlemen...
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Well, put it down to my incorrigible ignorance.
Old dog and all that.

Prove me wrong, Soren.
You didn't even address why you shouldn't call us 'Mohammadans'...

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Daniel New Member Offline La illaha illAllah! Posts: 29 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #10 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:43pm Accidental double post: deleted.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #11 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:43pm Yawn.... anyone who has been here for even a short time knows there are tons of unanswered and avoided questions. DWMT
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Daniel New Member Offline La illaha illAllah! Posts: 29 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy Reply #12 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:44pm Grendel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:43pm: Yawn.... anyone who has been here for even a short time knows there are tons of unanswered and avoided questions. DWMT Funny, you accuse me of running away from things [I haven't even read yet] and I've been here less than half an hour. You're really digging deep.
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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy
Reply #13 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:50pm

Daniel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:37pm:

Well I think you are paranoid and delusional.
It would be nice to get answers to everything asked for a change and drop the smokescreens and victim-hood crap.
It would be nice not to be threatened and censored and banned for dissent or asking what appears to be questions to difficult for you to face.

Abbreviations eh Daniel.. well who'd a thunk... Shocked

Well, I could have told him to go to google, but either way.
I haven't seen any questions to answer. So, I'm hardly running away from anything because it's 'difficult to face', nor am I playing the victim. I'm merely pointing out what I've noticed for Soren's patterns on other forums.
paranoid and delusional? Why? Cause you don't agree with me? Absurd stuff, ladies and gentlemen...
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Well, put it down to my incorrigible ignorance.
Old dog and all that.

Prove me wrong, Soren.
You didn't even address why you shouldn't call us 'Mohammadans'...

Mohammedan points to the founder and the man followed. The term also paarallels 'Christian'.
It is a declension also used in other religious and non-religious group identifiers such as Methodist, Marxist, Anarchist and so forth.
It is no more insulting than any of these. Is there any insult in being identified as a partisan, a follower of Mohammed?

It is certainly not as insulting as the terms used by Mohammedans to denote the 'out' groups (me among them) - infidel, kuffr and so on.

Language can reveal as well as conceal. I am concious of its unveiling power. Your squirming uncomfortably only confirms it.

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Re: Islamophobic self-fulfilling prophecy
Reply #14 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:51pm

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:50pm:

Mohammedan points to the founder and the man followed. The term also paarallels 'Christian'.
It is a declension also used in other religious and non-religious group identifiers such as Methodist, Marxist, Anarchist and so forth.
It is no more insulting than any of these. Is there any insult in being identified as a partisan, a follower of Mohammed?

It is certainly not as insulting as the terms used by Mohammedans to denote the 'out' groups (me among them) - infidel, kuffr and so on.

Language can reveal as well as conceal. I am concious of its unveiling power. Your squirming uncomfortably only confirms it.

I read this already. And you already used the line 'I am concious of its unveiling power. Your squirming uncomfortably only confirms it.' on someone else. In fact this is the post of yours I was referring to... Roll Eyes

Tell me - when have you been called an infidel or kufr to your face?

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