abu_rashid wrote on Nov 15
th, 2008 at 11:55pm:
Quote:Judaism is the covenant the jews made with god because that is the type of relationship they wanted with god, one of law.
The covenant was made with Abraham (pbuh) before Judaism as we know it even existed. There were very few laws mentioned in the original covenant, they came later. Besides, if you have no laws, you really have no religion. The law vs faith idea is a misunderstanding of modern Christians. The NT says you're not justified by the law, doesn't say to throw it out.
Quote:christianity was the second covenant, just a different and more personal way to relate to the same god.
So why not just make it like that from the start, if it's the correct way? Why make all those people go through all that stuff in the OT, and then bring a whole different religion?
Also, I was never able to accept that the God described in the OT, is the same as the Christian God as defined in the Nicene creed, or even in the NT.
Quote:christianity teaches that all jews still have the old covenant with god, neither covenant is wrong, just that the jews were stubbern and wanted a relationship based on law so god because he loved them gave them what they wanted.
How about Arabs/Muslims? You do realise your own Bible says the covenant was made with Abraham (pbuh) and his son Ishmael (pbuh) right? although it later revoked this, and claimed the covenant was with Isaac (pbuh) only, most likely as the Israelites began to fight more with their Ishmaelite cousins. They had a habit of slandering and denouncing their tribal enemies in their book.
Quote:no one said god got it wrong.
Actually sprint did.
"The Law" that was intended to reconcile people back to God when they sinned now became a wall.. ..Which was the opposite of what The Law was meant to do. God made th covenant with Abraham the way he did because that was what abraham with his cultural understanding could comprehend.
in AD 2000 after the roman and greek empires humans had developed into an entirely different culture which could understand different things. People can only relate to what they can comprehend.
It has never been gods way to heavily influence the understanding of people he has always given that job to parents. God works to our limited understanding.
I cant speak for sprint who is a protestant, but i can for over a billion catholics world wide in saying that god had the best relationship the jews in their antiquated understanding could have with him.
it was only when people changed their own philosophy on life that god designed a new system that was easier for them.
In the end God simply wants the love and obedience of a father, he is not concerned whether we are jewish or christian, or muslim
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