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Reply #15 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:44am

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:35am:

Gabriel,

Do these comments not constitute personal abuse?

"This sort of argument makes you bad in eyes of Allah and the looser of discussion."

yep- modded

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"Does Allah will you to tell lies or are you servant of Shaitan?"

the latter half of this has been modded

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"Your twisting the Truth and continuous personal attacks makes Islam to look bad and according to Koran you will burn in hell for that. "

this is merely poor understanding of Islam

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Really I don't care whether you remove these quotes or not, cause really, they make the poster look rather foolish, however, I am not sure why you have removed or modded my posts, whilst allowing these quotes to remain.

Everything I have said has been deduced by what has been written by the poster in this very thread. It is not him I have attacked, but his views.

Whereas his statements have nothing to do with the topic or my posts for that matter, and he has posted them in desperation and in order to insult and anger.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Complaints Reply #16 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:47am Les, you had started personal attack so do not cry victim now and learn that lesson for the future.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Complaints Reply #17 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:52am personal attacks from anyone will be modded
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Reply #18 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:53am

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:47am:

Les, you had started personal attack so do not cry victim now and learn that lesson for the future.

What personal attacks. There were none, and I challenge you to post them if their were, and I'm sure that Gabriel will remove them.

I attacked your views, and I make no apologies for that, because your views deserved to be attacked.

I have not attacked your personally, or reverted to your religous beliefs. I have stayed on topic, unfortunately the same cannot be said about you.

Like I siad to Gabriel, I don't really care whether your childish insults remain or not, cause really, I don't really pay attention, and really it is a sign that you are struggling with a reply.

However, what I did do was seek clarification on why some posts were modded, whereas others were not.

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Complaints Reply #19 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:58am ok chillun- enough both of you have had your say and said each other attacks personally. the thread speaks for itself. let's leave it at that before this devolves into another personal argument
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Complaints Reply #20 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:02pm les, the history of your abuse and who started it is written in the red all over the thread so stop your pretence at victimhood. Gaybriel who did the modding can confirm that. Mod, can you chill him out for a few days so he stops doing damage to image of Islam?
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Reply #21 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:05pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:02pm:

les, the history of your abuse and who started it is written in the red all over the thread so stop your pretence at victimhood. Gaybriel who did the modding can confirm that.
Mod, can you chill him out for a few days so he stops doing damage to image of Islam?

BWAHAHAA....

Is this what you always do when your vile views have been exposed. Demand that the poster gets banned. Cheesy

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Complaints Reply #22 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:05pm In my opinion Lestat has chilled out quite a bit and his contribution in recent discussions has been much more constructive. as long as things continue this way for all- then there's no problem
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Complaints Reply #23 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:06pm ok guys- that's enough. we're done. hush.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Complaints Reply #24 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:10pm Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 12:06pm: ok guys- that's enough. we're done. hush. Mod, I am not the problem, les is and unless you do something about him he will continue.
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Reply #25 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:55pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:41pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:37pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:31pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

let's keep the discussion in palestine. this is about palestine not islam.

you can bet even if the majority of palestinians were christian or catholic they would still be fighting the israelis

I can bet on opposite and I would win.

don't think so!

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Of course it has nothing to do with hamas being islamic organisation but rather with them being islamist organisation and islamism has no borders.

BTW, why did you deleted my posts where I don't attack anybody and left lestat's post where he's going on about me?

just send me the post and I'll have a look

You are wrong

Just go to pages 6 and 7 and see for yourself how he tells lies about me.

Anyway why you delete my posts where is no personal attacks at all?

the comments were off topic and were continuing the flame war. I deleted boths yours and lestat's for this reason.

as to lestat's other posts. I'll have a further look but it would appear he is attacking your arguments

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Reply #26 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:09pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:55pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:41pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:37pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:31pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

let's keep the discussion in palestine. this is about palestine not islam.

you can bet even if the majority of palestinians were christian or catholic they would still be fighting the israelis

I can bet on opposite and I would win.

don't think so!

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Of course it has nothing to do with hamas being islamic organisation but rather with them being islamist organisation and islamism has no borders.

BTW, why did you deleted my posts where I don't attack anybody and left lestat's post where he's going on about me?

just send me the post and I'll have a look

You are wrong

Just go to pages 6 and 7 and see for yourself how he tells lies about me.

Anyway why you delete my posts where is no personal attacks at all?

the comments were off topic and were continuing the flame war. I deleted boths yours and lestat's for this reason.

as to lestat's other posts. I'll have a further look but it would appear he is attacking your arguments

he is calling me a lier .... this is not attacking my arguments no matter how prejudicially to look at that.

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Reply #27 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 8:44am

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:44am:

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:35am:

Gabriel,

Do these comments not constitute personal abuse?

"This sort of argument makes you bad in eyes of Allah and the looser of discussion."

yep- modded

Quote:

"Does Allah will you to tell lies or are you servant of Shaitan?"

the latter half of this has been modded

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"Your twisting the Truth and continuous personal attacks makes Islam to look bad and according to Koran you will burn in hell for that. "

this is merely poor understanding of Islam

How on earth do these remarks constitute a personal attack?

If I were to say that my interlocutor has a poor argument and is condemned by his own principles, and ask him whether he is in the service of dark powers - how is that a personal attack? If I were to tell him that the paucity of his argument will always condemn him to losing every argument - how is that a personal attack? But to say that he will burn in hell is merely a theological misunderstanding.

Gaybriel, please indicate, if you can, the line between robust disagreement, calling a spade a a spade and acceptable degrees of theological interpretation on the one hand and personal attack on the other.

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Reply #28 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 9:30am

tallowood wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 8:23am:

Lestat wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 8:15am:

lol...your unbelievable. Show me where I have called you a liar? Just one post.

It is acutally you that have called me a liar, a number of times, even though I have shown clearly that I am not lying, and you clearly said what I stated that you said.

Your islamic lies are sooo easy to expose. Show me where I called you a liar and if you can't it makes you ...just a muslim Grin

To easy...

"Does Allah will you to tell lies or are you servant of Shaitan?"

"Just go to pages 6 and 7 and see for yourself how he tells lies about me."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229690857/105

There is actually plenty more examples, but lucky for you they have been modded by Gabriel.

So as you can see, every time I have provided proof and evidence of your misleading remarks and downright vile statements. You on the other hand have provided nothing, and when I have exposed you time and time again, you without fail revert to attacking my religous beliefs, cause quite frankly, you have nothing else.

Keep it up Tallowood, like I said your only making yourself look foolish.

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Reply #29 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 11:10am

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 8:44am:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:44am:

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 11:35am:

Gabriel,

Do these comments not constitute personal abuse?

"This sort of argument makes you bad in eyes of Allah and the looser of discussion."

yep- modded

Quote:

"Does Allah will you to tell lies or are you servant of Shaitan?"

the latter half of this has been modded

Quote:

"Your twisting the Truth and continuous personal attacks makes Islam to look bad and according to Koran you will burn in hell for that. "

this is merely poor understanding of Islam

How on earth do these remarks constitute a personal attack?

If I were to say that my interlocutor has a poor argument and is condemned by his own principles, and ask him whether he is in the service of dark powers - how is that a personal attack? If I were to tell him that the paucity of his argument will always condemn him to losing every argument - how is that a personal attack? But to say that he will burn in hell is merely a theological misunderstanding.

Gaybriel, please indicate, if you can, the line between robust disagreement, calling a spade a a spade and acceptable degrees of theological interpretation on the one hand and personal attack on the other.

the reason these were modded was to try to prevent the topic become about Lestat instead of being about Israel/Palestine. They may not have been outright insults (although suggesting someone is Satan's slave is pretty much an insult), they will still directed towards the poster as opposed to what the poster was saying.

now sometimes lines blur between arguing with someone and having a go at someone- this is obviously difficult to mod without censoring people which is why I ask everyone to restrain themselves from making it personal. which I understand is also not easy to do.

anyway- I also agree about the theological misunderstanding which is why I did not delete the thing about hell.

the fact is the topic was not about islam, even if you thought islam was a legitimate part of it, the comments made about Lestat did not contribute to any kind of argument. this is why they were modded

I have not finished modding the topic itself btw as I'm sure there's plenty more to be found on both sides

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