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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Complaints Reply #75 - Jan 5^th, 2009 at 5:50am Has anybody here opened any thread cheering Palestinians targetting civilians? I don't think so. It is only the supporters of the US and Israel who'd engage in such a sickening display of inhumanity.
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Reply #76 - Jan 5^th, 2009 at 8:40am

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 5^th, 2009 at 5:50am:

Has anybody here opened any thread cheering Palestinians targetting civilians?
I don't think so. It is only the supporters of the US and Israel who'd engage in such a sickening display of inhumanity.

abu,

Good muslim abu, good muslim.

By inference, you are suggesting that in my deleted thread, i celebrated Israel targeting civilians.

I did no such thing.

At the top of my deleted thread, "Go Israel!", i posted a small graphic from the FOX news site.

The graphic, related that FOX [on its news site] was lambasting Israel for its attack on Gaza.

Dictionary,
lambaste = = criticize harshly.

Next i [copy and paste] posted a comment posted at JihadWatch, which criticised the pro-Hamas slant on this story, being portrayed in the mainstream media.

"December 27, 2008
"Israel Vows to Expand Deadly Gaza Airstrikes." They're "deadly," but Israel nevertheless, in defiance of all reason, and all decency, "vows" to "expand" them.
"At least 200 Palestinians killed as Israeli warplanes pound Gaza; Hamas vows revenge until 'the last drop of blood.'" No mention whatsoever of why "Israeli warplanes" now "pound" Gaza."

AND,

"December 27, 2008
Moral Myopia and Hypocrisy Alert: World condemns Israeli action in Gaza"

I also asked a question.....

"Q.
In the mainstream media, where is the condemnation of Hamas aggression, and their constant rocketing of civilian towns within Israel?"

Absolutely nothing in the thread i posted, celebrated Israel targeting civilians.

As was deceitfully asserted by Gaybriel, here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226668280/67#67
[i can confidently say this, as i saved my thread to my hard drive, and i am viewing it now]
[did you even examine the content of my post, before you deleted it Gaybriel?]

And if you dispute this Gaybriel, then i call on you to re-post my thread [un-edited] so that everyone can judge for themselves, what it was stating.

In my thread, i also posted several images which mocked the hypocrisy of Hamas / ISLAMISTS, who openly promote a culture of violence and hatred.

As i explained here.....

"Extremism Exposed › Complaints"
"....Where i presented and expressed my bias.
Where i mocked the hypocrisy of Hamas / ISLAMISTS, who openly promote a culture of violence and hatred of non-muslims [i.e. Israel].
Where Hamas / ISLAMISTS hypocritically encourage terrorist acts against Israel, then when Israel is provoked to action, complain, "The Zionists are massacring our innocent civilians!"
I presented truthful information, and examples, supporting my bias,
DELETED."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226668280/65#65

My thread, deleted by Gaybriel, was principally critical of the violence of Hamas, and i was mocking of their hypocrisy, in accusing Israel of targeting civilians.

The only 'provocation' in my thread, whatsoever, were the words in the title.

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Reply #77 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:35am

The image [below] shows the 1st part of my [deleted by Gaybriel] post/thread.

Gaybriel stated,
Quote:

"I will not allow a thread that celebrated the death of civilians. it's as simple as that. you can express your views without so crassly supporting the death of innocent people, which is why I created another thread about the israeli bombings"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226668280/67#67

There is absolutely nothing in the thread i posted [including the remainder of the post], which celebrated Israel targeting or killing civilians.

The content of my thread was directed at mocking the hypocrisy of Hamas, and the worlds mainstream media, in falsely accusing Israel of intentionally, and recklessly, killing civilians.

While the world, and the mainstream media continually ignores the culpability of Hamas / ISLAM in targeting and killing civilians in Israel.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Complaints Reply #78 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:58am I'm beginning to believe that some of the censorship on the Islam and Extremism boards is justified. Really some of the comments are outright offensive.
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Reply #79 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 9:36am

Well I would have liked the opportunity to have judged for myself Mantra.

I think many go over the top in how they condemn anything to do with Islam, which unfortunately lets others believe they have the duty to balance it up with their own ethical acrobatics.

Mostly I find Gaybriel's modding acceptable, but her very naive understanding of just how far Islamism, and Islam, overlap, causes her to look like an apologist for Islamist excesses, that should broach no acceptance, on any level.

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Reply #80 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 9:46am

mantra wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:58am:

I'm beginning to believe that some of the censorship on the Islam and Extremism boards is justified. Really some of the comments are outright offensive.

mantra,

I am saddened by you comment here [above].

I direct you to my comments here about freedom of expression, and the danger of limiting it.....

"Extremism Exposed › Complaints"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226668280/63#63

mantra,

If you want to experience what is really 'offensive', go and live in a society where your rights and freedoms have been expunged.

"Girls, gaining a muslim 'education'...."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226526640/0#0

News items,

Dec. 2, 2006
Gaza women warned of immodesty
A....group calling itself the Just Swords of Islam issued a warning to Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip over the weekend that they must wear the hijab or face being targeted by the group's members.
.....The group said its followers last week threw acid at the face of a young woman who was dressed "immodestly" in the center of Gaza City.
.....the group also claimed responsibility for attacks on 12 Internet cafes over the past few days.
....."We will have no mercy on any woman who violates the traditions of Islam and who also hang out in Internet cafes."
ACCORDING TO THE GROUP, ITS MEMBERS USED ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES to attack 12 Internet cafes and a number of music shops in different parts of the Gaza Strip.
It said the places were targeted because they were "distracting an entire generation of Palestinians from their duty to worship [Alla] and jihad....
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881802888&pagename=JPost%2FJPArti...

June 3, 2008
Anti-Christian 'Cleansing' Campaign Picks Up Pace in Gaza
Attacks on Christian targets and those identified with Western culture have grown more frequent in Gaza in the past two years, and especially since the Hamas takeover in June 2007, experts say. The targets have included churches, Christian and United Nations schools, the American International School, libraries and Internet cafes.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126388

"Israeli treatment of Palestinians"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229690857/119#119

If you hate the TRUTH to be spoken, then you will suffer the consequence, of accepting lies as 'truth'.
....and you will live in darkness.

In our world today,

BLACK is WHITE.
And WHITE is BLACK.
UP is DOWN.
And DOWN is UP.

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann
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Re: Complaints
Reply #81 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 9:46am

mozzaok wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 9:36am:

Well I would have liked the opportunity to have judged for myself Mantra.

I think many go over the top in how they condemn anything to do with Islam, which unfortunately lets others believe they have the duty to balance it up with their own ethical acrobatics.

Mostly I find Gaybriel's modding acceptable, but her very naive understanding of just how far Islamism, and Islam, overlap, causes her to look like an apologist for Islamist excesses, that should broach no acceptance, on any level.

Mozz is right, so many people hate Islam so much they are willing to support Israel in their desire to wipe out Palestine.
The strange thing about it is that Israel is as big a rogue state as Palestine, they just have bigger bombs.
Its about time the world treated Israel the same as everyone else, but that will never happen while Israel wear the USA sherriff badge in the middle east.
Israel is run by the same neo cons that have been running the USA, even with Obama I doubt that will change.

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Reply #82 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 12:11pm

mantra wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:58am:

I'm beginning to believe that some of the censorship on the Islam and Extremism boards is justified. Really some of the comments are outright offensive.

mantra,

This information [below], criticising the hypocrisy of the world community, is what my deleted thread conveyed.

"Behold the brazen hypocrisy: Hamas launches attacks from civilian areas and uses children as human shields, and then uses the deaths of Palestinian children to justify murdering Jewish children anywhere in the world. And the world yawns and issues another condemnation of Israel."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024252.php
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5454204.ece

mantra,

Why do ppl refuse to hear this TRUTH, about what continues to fuel, and motivate, the conflict between the 'Palestinians' and Israel ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #83 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 12:22pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 12:11pm:

mantra wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:58am:

I'm beginning to believe that some of the censorship on the Islam and Extremism boards is justified. Really some of the comments are outright offensive.

mantra,

This information [below], criticising the hypocrisy of the world community, is what my deleted thread conveyed.

"Behold the brazen hypocrisy: Hamas launches attacks from civilian areas and uses children as human shields, and then uses the deaths of Palestinian children to justify murdering Jewish children anywhere in the world. And the world yawns and issues another condemnation of Israel."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024252.php
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5454204.ece

mantra,

Why do ppl refuse to hear this TRUTH, about what continues to fuel, and motivate, the conflict between the 'Palestinians' and Israel ???

Israel are condemmed for good reason, THEY are the murderers of inocent women and children while the palestinians throw back rocks.

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Reply #84 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:30pm

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mantra,

I am saddened by you comment here [above].

I direct you to my comments here about freedom of expression, and the danger of limiting it.....

If you want to experience what is really 'offensive', go and live in a society where your rights and freedoms have been expunged.

"Girls, gaining a muslim 'education'...."

This information [below], criticising the hypocrisy of the world community, is what my deleted thread conveyed.

"Behold the brazen hypocrisy: Hamas launches attacks from civilian areas and uses children as human shields, and then uses the deaths of Palestinian children to justify murdering Jewish children anywhere in the world. And the world yawns and issues another condemnation of Israel."

Yadda I wasn't referring to you when I made the comments about censorship - I hadn't noticed that you wrote anything that needed to be censored, but there is some real nastiness on this board & the Islam board at times.

I'm aware that children are sometimes used as human shields, but children are considered of little importance in third world countries. The western world is rich and fat yet we allow 50,000 children a day to starve to death.

There are some terrible things happening in the name of religion, but we have to look at all sides of the conflict. We can't just blame one group of people because their ways are different to ours.

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Reply #85 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 10:23pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 4^th, 2009 at 12:49pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2009 at 12:07pm:

none of that changes what I've said

Gaybriel,

Here is my argument against your position, and against your censorship of my expressed views.

you've expressed your views. they are irrelevant.

this isn't about relgion- it's about the worth of human life.

any thread celebrating the death of civilians will be closed or deleted. simple as that

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Reply #86 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 10:24pm

tallowood wrote on Jan 4^th, 2009 at 11:00pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2009 at 12:29am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 29^th, 2008 at 11:01am:

Gaybriel, where is my thread,

"Go Israel!" ????
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1230417301/0#0

I will not allow a thread that celebrated the death of civilians. it's as simple as that. you can express your views without so crassly supporting the death of innocent people, which is why I created another thread about the israeli bombings

No palestinian threads then? After all palistinian terrorists do target specifically civilians.

there have been no threads opened cheering palestinians for killing israelis.

if there were they would also be deleted or closed

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Reply #87 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 10:27pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:35am:

The image [below] shows the 1st part of my [deleted by Gaybriel] post/thread.

Gaybriel stated,
Quote:

"I will not allow a thread that celebrated the death of civilians. it's as simple as that. you can express your views without so crassly supporting the death of innocent people, which is why I created another thread about the israeli bombings"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226668280/67#67

There is absolutely nothing in the thread i posted [including the remainder of the post], which celebrated Israel targeting or killing civilians.

The content of my thread was directed at mocking the hypocrisy of Hamas, and the worlds mainstream media, in falsely accusing Israel of intentionally, and recklessly, killing civilians.

While the world, and the mainstream media continually ignores the culpability of Hamas / ISLAM in targeting and killing civilians in Israel.

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the heading itself and the article posted underneath implied support

I have told you my position.

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Complaints Reply #88 - Jan 6^th, 2009 at 10:29pm some posts here have been deleted. this is not the thread to discuss the israeli palestine conflict. take it to the other threads please
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Reply #89 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 12:01am

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 10:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Jan 4^th, 2009 at 11:00pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2009 at 12:29am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 29^th, 2008 at 11:01am:

Gaybriel, where is my thread,

"Go Israel!" ????
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1230417301/0#0

I will not allow a thread that celebrated the death of civilians. it's as simple as that. you can express your views without so crassly supporting the death of innocent people, which is why I created another thread about the israeli bombings

No palestinian threads then? After all palistinian terrorists do target specifically civilians.

there have been no threads opened cheering palestinians for killing israelis.

if there were they would also be deleted or closed

To support in any way palestinian moslem terrorism is in fact cheering for attacks against deliberately civilian targets.

Informing about IDF rightfully killing terrorists and their brainwashed slaves is not cheering for attacks against civilians.

When moderator ignore first and concentrate on second it is obvious personally biased moderation what ever excuse is.

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