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Reply #15 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 9:47am
 
It's easy to make fun of Satan - but he/she has many different faces.  Depending on which form you become susceptible to - you can either use "it" to your advantage and for the good of humanity or allow "it" to corrupt you.  There are also ways of discarding Satan if it becomes overwhelmingly destructive - but that's only if you're prepared to believe and listen.

We are all infected one way or another by Satanism and many have seen or experienced proof that Satan is very spiritual.
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Reply #16 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 10:13am
 
It's interesting that perceptions of the nature of the devil are diverse even in Europe.

Max Von Sydow in an interview regarding his role in 'The Exorcist' commented on how unusual a concept it was for him to perceive the devil as so... horrifyingly evil. Apparently in the Nordic tradition, the devil is a prankster and a fool and more an object of ridicule than fear.

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Reply #17 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 12:54pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 4:13pm:
It's interesting that perceptions of the nature of the devil are diverse even in Europe.

Max Von Sydow in an interview regarding his role in 'The Exorcist' commented on how unusual a concept it was for him to perceive the devil as so... horrifyingly evil. Apparently in the Nordic tradition, the devil is a prankster and a fool and more an object of ridicule than fear.


If you mean Nordic Loke then he/she was more then just a fool and prankster.
The Eddas depict Loke as a villain, a coward, liar, cheater, thief and as a murderer. He also was an adept of shape-shifting(warewulf) and transsexual.


A 10th century depiction that is often interpreted as Loki exists in the parish church of Kirkby Stephen, England. The figure is bound with irons and horned.
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Reply #18 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:22pm
 
I find it interesting how the Etruscan demons bear a strong resemblance to the iconography of Satan. They also had winged deities.

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/tardemons.html

When you consider that Christianity grew up via Rome, it's hardly surprising that it retains some of the old traditions, such as the Bishop's mitre, the purple gowns, the throne (sellam regni  trabeamque insignia nostri) and the smoke receptacle that they swing (something like sensus).
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Reply #19 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:27pm
 
tallowood wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 6:54pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 4:13pm:
It's interesting that perceptions of the nature of the devil are diverse even in Europe.

Max Von Sydow in an interview regarding his role in 'The Exorcist' commented on how unusual a concept it was for him to perceive the devil as so... horrifyingly evil. Apparently in the Nordic tradition, the devil is a prankster and a fool and more an object of ridicule than fear.


If you mean Nordic Loke then he/she was more then just a fool and prankster.
The Eddas depict Loke as a villain, a coward, liar, cheater, thief and as a murderer. He also was an adept of shape-shifting(warewulf) and transsexual.

Don't know if it was Loke. Von Sydow was telling the story.
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Reply #20 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:43pm
 
muso wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 8:22pm:
I find it interesting how the Etruscan demons bear a strong resemblance to the iconography of Satan. They also had winged deities.

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/tardemons.html

When you consider that Christianity grew up via Rome, it's hardly surprising that it retains some of the old traditions, such as the Bishop's mitre, the purple gowns, the throne (sellam regni  trabeamque insignia nostri) and the smoke receptacle that they swing (something like sensus).


The blue demon with two serpents somewhat reminiscent of young Hercules strangling two snakes.
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There were plenty of contacts between Greeks and Italy in pre-Roman time.
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Reply #21 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:49pm
 
True. The Southern parts of Italy were in fact Greek colonies (Magna Graecia)

Censer is the word I was looking for. It's a smoking gold pot of incense on a gold chain that is used as part of a purification ritual, perhaps in teh Catholic church.
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Reply #22 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 2:49pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 8:27pm:
tallowood wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 6:54pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 4:13pm:
It's interesting that perceptions of the nature of the devil are diverse even in Europe.

Max Von Sydow in an interview regarding his role in 'The Exorcist' commented on how unusual a concept it was for him to perceive the devil as so... horrifyingly evil. Apparently in the Nordic tradition, the devil is a prankster and a fool and more an object of ridicule than fear.


If you mean Nordic Loke then he/she was more then just a fool and prankster.
The Eddas depict Loke as a villain, a coward, liar, cheater, thief and as a murderer. He also was an adept of shape-shifting(warewulf) and transsexual.

Don't know if it was Loke. Von Sydow was telling the story.


Loke also was known as father of Hel who was ruler of realm of dead the hell.


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Reply #23 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 8:25pm
 
This latest posts about the Satan made me wonder about his/hers origin.

I mean we all know that according to Christian, Islamic and probably Judaic traditions The Satan is the bad guy but what about other cultures. Even Loke had helped AEsir few times.

So where did the Satan have come from? Here are list of other Names, which may help to freshen old memories:

* Lucifer - (Lord Of Light)
    * Asmodeus
    * The Hooven Cloof
    * Pocker
    * The Prince of Darkness
    * The Prince of Devils
    * The Prince of This World
    * The Prince of the Air
    * His Satanic Majesty
    * Satanel
    * The Prince of Hell
    * The Prince of Pandemonium
    * The (Arch-) Fiend
    * The Evil One

   

    * Beelsebub
    * Belial
    * The Wicked One
    * The Tempter
    * The Author of Evil
    * Mefistofeles
    * The (Common) Enemy (of Mankind)
    * Old Harry
    * Old Nick
    * The Angel of the Bottomless Pit
    * Old Horney
    * Old Gooseberry
    * Satan
    * Mr. Scratch


Ahriman: the Zoroastrian God of Darkness (also the Persian God of Chaos) created Azhidaahaka, the Dragon of Death.

Azazel: the Lord Of The Wasteland, taught man about war and war devices.

Belial: The Worthless, is a devil sometimes refered to as the Antichrist.

Beelzebub - The Lord Of Flies - was a Philistine god. Christianity has often used Beelzebub as an interchangeable name for Satan. He is also

sometimes considered to be Satan's right-hand man.

Erlik: the Siberian God of the Underworld, was the first man but he was not given a soul.
Ghede: the Voodoo God of Death, occasionally turns the dead into zombies.

Hel: the Viking Goddess of Niflheim - an icy version of Hell - was sent to the underworld by Odin (the chief god of Viking mythology) to look after

the dead, excepting those warriors who went to Valhalla. Christianity took Hel's name and adapted it to its own underworld.

Ictinike: the Sioux Indian Devil, was more a spirit who enjoyed playing pranks on people than a ruler of an evil underworld.

Kali: a Hindu goddess, is the evil half of the goddess Devi. Kali means Black Destroyer.

Kronos: the Greek ruler of Tartarus - a bottomless pit - ate all of his children at birth because he was told that one of them would one day

overthrow him. Zeus, one of Kronos' children, escaped his siblings' fate and threw his father into the pit of Tartarus

Mara: a Hindu god, was the ruler of the underworld.

Moloch: a Canaanite god, was described as an old man with horns. He was also worshiped in Carthage, but with the name Baal-Hammon, which

was then used by the Hebrews as their Satan.

Mot: the Caanite Lord of Death, caused the change of seasons when he would force the god Baal underground.

Pan: the Greek God of Nature, has over time become associated with evil. The image of Pan - who had a man's upper body but had horns and

faun's legs - inspired the medieval Christian image of Satan.

Pluto: was the Greek god who ruled Hades

Rashnu: the Persian God of the Dead, judged if one went to Heaven or Hell

Satan: The well-known name of the Devil is just Satan...

Tiamat: the Babylonian dragon, fought with and lost to the god Marduk, who then created the universe from her dismembered body

Xipetotec: the Aztec God of Pain, enjoyed pain so much that he flayed himself alive. Aztec human sacrifices were usually made in his name.

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Reply #24 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 8:05am
 
Tallow - that's a great list. I had not heard of many of them.

Also the deceiver is a term for him
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Reply #25 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 8:24am
 
You can add a few Etruscan ones to that list:

Aita - ruler of the dead & personification of the underworld. He wears a wolf's head on his head.

Tuchulcha - a grotesque demon with horse's ears, a vulture's beak and snakes in his hands.

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/tuchulcha.html

In the mid 70's the Roman Catholic church carried out an exorcism on tuchulcha following activities of a cult in Rome. From memory, 6 people died and a number suffered mental health. 

then there's Vanth - the female demon of death. Lives in the underworld. With the eyes on her wings she sees all and is omni-present. She is the herald of death and can assist a sick person on his deathbed.
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Reply #26 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 8:29am
 
And ZOOL from Ghostbusters.
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Reply #27 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:24pm
 
Does this look like a devil?
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To me it does but wiki says it is the god of Rain and thunder Chaac

Nonetheless I'm going to add him/her to The List of Names.
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Reply #28 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 4:38pm
 
Well he probably bats for another team, and that's what satan means in the original Hebrew- the opponent or the enemy.

I'd also add Krishna. Anyone who destroys worlds must be included in your list of nasties.

Quote:
I am, the destroyer of the worlds, who has come to annihilate everyone. Even without your taking part all those arrayed in the [two] opposing ranks will be slain!

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Reply #29 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 7:42pm
 
According to wiki Maya believed in cyclicity of universe rather then in good vs evil paradigm. That's why they did not have The Satan so may be I'm wrong to add Chaac to The List of Names.

I believe that Australian aborigines did not have the concept of G vs B either

As for Hebrew devil ... according to OT he/she was not the opponent but a servant of God whose job was to test humankind, sort of like undercover agent.

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