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Reply #30 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:25pm

Now theres an interesting sentence tallowood.

yes, from the times I have read the OT there does seem to be an ........... "understanding/working relationship" between God and the devil.

the book of Job has an example.

"One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

"Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. "

Job 1:6-12

There is at least one more example in the OT similar to it.

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Re: Is the Satan spiritual?
Reply #31 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:53pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:25pm:

Now theres an interesting sentence tallowood.

yes, from the times I have read the OT there does seem to be an ........... "understanding/working relationship" between God and the devil.

the book of Job has an example.

"One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

"Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. "

Job 1:6-12

There is at least one more example in the OT similar to it.

some stuff in the bible I don't understand

They were The Egoless Programmers of Old Virtues.

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1. Understand and accept that you will make mistakes. The point is to find them early, before they make it into production.
2. You are not your code. Remember that the entire point of a review is to find problems, and problems will be found.
3. No matter how much you know, someone else will always know more.
4. Don't rewrite code without consultation. There's a fine line between "fixing code" and "rewriting code."
5. Treat people who know less than you with respect, deference, and patience.
6. The only constant in the world is change. Be open to it and accept it with a smile.
7. The only true authority stems from knowledge, not from position.
8. Fight for what you believe, but gracefully accept defeat.
9. Don't be "the guy in the room."
10. Critique code instead of people—be kind to the coder, not to the code.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: The List of Names Reply #32 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:58pm tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 7:42pm: I believe that Australian aborigines did not have the concept of G vs B either Probably the closest approximation in Aboriginal mythology is Feather Foot or the Cadiche Man... Apparently he's something like an avenging angel. Maybe similar to the role of Satan in the Book of Job.
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Reply #33 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 9:26pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:58pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 7:42pm:

I believe that Australian aborigines did not have the concept of G vs B either

Probably the closest approximation in Aboriginal mythology is Feather Foot or the Cadiche Man... Apparently he's something like an avenging angel. Maybe similar to the role of Satan in the Book of Job.

I have heard about the aboriginal avengers but there is very little of details that I could find. I would greatly appreciate any information about that as I believe that it is where The Final Separation between The Natural Animalism and Organised Religion had happened.

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Re: Is the Satan spiritual?
Reply #34 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:58am

Here is poem about evil spirits of ancient Sumer. May be that's where it all started.

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DESCRIPTIONS OF "THE SEVEN"

I
Destructive storms and evil winds are they,
A storm of evil, presaging the baneful storm,
A storm of evil, forerunner of the baneful storm.
Mighty children, mightv sons are they,
Messengers of Namtar are they,
Throne-bearers of Ereshkigal. [1]
The flood driving through the land are they.
Seven gods of the wide heavens,
Seven gods of the broad earth,
Seven robber-gods are they.
Seven gods of universal sway,
Seven evil gods,
Seven evil demons,
Seven evil and violent demons,
Seven in heaven, seven on earth.

II
Neither male nor female are they.
Destructive whirlwinds they,
Having neither wife nor offspring.
Compassion and mercy they do not know.
Prayer and supplication they do not hear.
Horses reared in the mountains, Hostile to Ea.
Throne-bearers of the gods are they.
Standing on the highway, befouling the street. Evil are they, evil are they,
Seven they are, seven they are, Twice seven they are.

III
The high enclosures, the broad enclosures like a flood they pass through.
From house to house they dash along.
No door can shut them out,
No bolt can turn them back.
Through the door, like a snake, they glide,
Through the hinge, like the wind, they storm.
Tearing the wife from the embrace of the man,
Snatching the child from the knees of a man,
Driving the freedman from his family home.

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Reply #35 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 2:17pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 7:42pm:

According to wiki Maya believed in cyclicity of universe rather then in good vs evil paradigm. That's why they did not have The Satan so may be I'm wrong to add Chaac to The List of Names.

I believe that Australian aborigines did not have the concept of G vs B either

As for Hebrew devil ... according to OT he/she was not the opponent but a servant of God whose job was to test humankind, sort of like undercover agent.

I was just referring to the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word satan (sin-tet-nun sofit) means an adversary/opponent or accuser. You can also refer to I Peter 5:8 -

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is the Satan spiritual? Reply #37 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 2:50pm freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 2:34pm: What's number 9 about? What you mean : I Peter 5:9 ? Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. Words of wisdom - we're all human regardless of religion.
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Reply #38 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 3:56pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:58pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 7:42pm:

I believe that Australian aborigines did not have the concept of G vs B either

Probably the closest approximation in Aboriginal mythology is Feather Foot or the Cadiche Man... Apparently he's something like an avenging angel. Maybe similar to the role of Satan in the Book of Job.

I have heard about the aboriginal avengers but there is very little of details that I could find. I would greatly appreciate any information about that as I believe that it is where The Final Separation between The Natural Animalism and Organised Religion had happened.

A mate of mine works with Aboriginal communities. From what he's told me feather foot is the most feared of Aboriginal spirits. Even the mention of his name is enough to scare them. There are many rules that traditional aborigines must observe in order not to rouse the anger of the feather foot (or the Cadiche Man - pronounced Kad-eye-chi).

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48839 At my desk.	Re: Is the Satan spiritual? Reply #39 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 3:59pm 9. Don't be "the guy in the room."
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Reply #40 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 3:56pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:58pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 7:42pm:

I believe that Australian aborigines did not have the concept of G vs B either

Probably the closest approximation in Aboriginal mythology is Feather Foot or the Cadiche Man... Apparently he's something like an avenging angel. Maybe similar to the role of Satan in the Book of Job.

I have heard about the aboriginal avengers but there is very little of details that I could find. I would greatly appreciate any information about that as I believe that it is where The Final Separation between The Natural Animalism and Organised Religion had happened.

A mate of mine works with Aboriginal communities. From what he's told me feather foot is the most feared of Aboriginal spirits. Even the mention of his name is enough to scare them. There are many rules that traditional aborigines must observe in order not to rouse the anger of the feather foot (or the Cadiche Man - pronounced Kad-eye-chi).

Thanks for the info. There was an Australian tv serial few years back. There was an episode about it but the three men who did the avenging were just men though they were pretty well psyched up. I would like to look at it again but don't remember the name.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5943	Re: Is the Satan spiritual? Reply #41 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:04pm freediver wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 3:59pm: 9. Don't be "the guy in the room." Quote: Don't be the guy coding in the dark office emerging only to buy cola. The guy in the room is out of touch, out of sight, and out of control and has no place in an open, collaborative environment. Very satanic image, IMHO.
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Re: Is the Satan spiritual?
Reply #42 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:19pm

god talking to satan does not mean satan worked for god.

Satan always wishes to destroy every good persons life but they are under the protection of god (unless they reject this pritectiion and ask for satan to enter their lives).

god in this case to prove to satan how good his servant was removed his protection thus allowing for evil to befall Job.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5943	Re: Is the Satan spiritual? Reply #43 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:36pm Two more names to the list: Stalin and Mao.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5943	Re: Is the Satan spiritual? Reply #44 - Nov 25^th, 2008 at 9:19pm oxytocin and brain too
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