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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6399 Hong Kong Gender:	“Is there anything beyond happiness”? Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:24pm Recently I've watched Andrei Tarkovsky’s film ‘Nostalgia”. One of the characters in the move asked the question: “Is there anything beyond happiness” ?. I am wondering if Dalai Lama or some of you wise people is capable of answering this question.
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40716 Gender:	Re: “Is there anything beyond happiness”? Reply #1 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:30pm Excellent posting Athos, what a very good question. In my experiences happiness is different from joy, which is different to satisfaction, and enlightenment, and fulfilment. Happiness is pretty good by my counts.
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Reply #2 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:59pm

athos wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:24pm:

Recently I've watched Andei Tarkovsky’s film ‘Nostalgia”. One of the characters in the move asked the question:

“Is there anything beyond happiness” ?.

I am wondering if Dalai Lama or some of you wise people is capable of answering this question.

"Depends which way you go" (c) - wise person

"Depends which way you don't go" (c) - Dalai Lama

"Ruble" (c) - Andrey Rublyov

"Mirror" (c) - Strange woman at the tea table

"Donatas Banionis" (c) - Kris Kelvin

"Roadside Picnic " (c) - Strugatsky brothers

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: “Is there anything beyond happiness”? Reply #3 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 7:00am Since we all haven't watched it Athos don't you think context might be a nice thing to add?
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Reply #4 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 9:58am

- and here was I thinking that a happy Russian was somewhat in the nature of a jocular funeral director or a Muslim nudist.

Isn't pathos and the celebration of misery an integral part of the Russian national psyche?

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Romeo. Why then, O brawling love! O loving hate!
O anything of nothing first create,
A heavy lightness, serious vanity,
Misshapen chaos of well-seeming forms,
Feather of lead...

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Reply #5 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:33am

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 7:00am:

Since we all haven't watched it Athos don't you think context might be a nice thing to add?

It was his last film made in Italy. The atmosphere in the move was very slow (similar like some Jim Jarmusch’s films) and many people can find this sort of films for them boring particularly if they like watching Hollywood action.
This sort of films, which I consider as real art, requires you to be fully involved mentally and emotionally and come up with your own conclusions.
Unlike Hollywood and Mc Donald they don’t offer sweet Coke and ready made context they just give you ingredients and you have to cook it yourself, but the meal could be delicious. Sometimes you can’t find answers yourself then you have to shear it with others as I am doing now.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: “Is there anything beyond happiness”? Reply #6 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:40am Context Athos... what about the context?
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Reply #7 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:55am

muso wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 9:58am:

- and here was I thinking that a happy Russian was somewhat in the nature of a jocular funeral director or a Muslim nudist.

Isn't pathos and the celebration of misery an integral part of the Russian national psyche?

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Romeo. Why then, O brawling love! O loving hate!
O anything of nothing first create,
A heavy lightness, serious vanity,
Misshapen chaos of well-seeming forms,
Feather of lead...

Well it does not have much to do with Russian’s psyche, I would say it is universal question that can be asked by anyone.
It would be interesting to hear what Islam offers as an answer on that question.

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6399 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: “Is there anything beyond happiness”? Reply #8 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:57am Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:40am: Context Athos... what about the context? Irrelevant, Grendel, irrelevant.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: “Is there anything beyond happiness”? Reply #9 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 11:54am There is nothing beyond sustainable happiness that we can share. I contrast that with hedonism, which is shortsighted and short lived happiness, sometimes at the cost of others'.
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Reply #10 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:01pm

sigh...

Happiness dear Athos is very likely to be induced by different things for different people and as such what makes one person happy might have the reverse effect on another...

Happiness is a feeling and emotional state... how do you judge or even start to understand the question without parameters.
I still don't get what you are really asking.
I doubt that you do.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6007	Re: “Is there anything beyond happiness”? Reply #11 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:21pm Andrey Rublyev was better film and it was made in Russia, about Russia with Russian actors. So it had plenty more Russian psyche, whatever it is, in it. Beyond happiness and suffering in it was Religious Art.
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Reply #12 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 2:16pm

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"Is there anything beyond happiness"?

I assume we are speaking of worldly happiness?

Yes.

Absolutely.

The experience of bliss, joy, ecstasy, love, peace.
....[many people alive today have experienced this, out of the body, or in a vision, being in the presence of.....]

To be redeemed from this world, that is what i [happily] wait for.

To return home, when this short journey is over.

[Yadda, doing a 'Yadda'.
....there is something in the drinking water here.]

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Isaiah 64:4
For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #13 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 2:39pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:01pm:

sigh...

Happiness dear Athos is very likely to be induced by different things for different people and as such what makes one person happy might have the reverse effect on another...

Happiness is a feeling and emotional state... how do you judge or even start to understand the question without parameters.
I still don't get what you are really asking.
I doubt that you do.

Again The Pome twins are talking, nothing without them.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: “Is there anything beyond happiness”? Reply #14 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 2:48pm Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:01pm: Happiness is a feeling and emotional state... how do you judge or even start to understand the question without parameters. I still don't get what you are really asking. I doubt that you do. Good point.
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