tallowood wrote on Nov 24
th, 2008 at 8:35am:
muso wrote on Nov 22
nd, 2008 at 10:13pm:
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OK, again hypothetically we have China - a totally undemocratic country. The government of China consult with their best technical advisers who explain that unless they radically change the way we do business, the future of mankind is doomed.
Meantime in the US and Australia, we have a fully democratic process. "Big Business" interests democratically lobby government, using appropriately democratic deployment of brown paper bags (for a just cause) in order to change government policy to ensure that their short term financial security is not compromised. Now unfortunately accountants and economists alike find it very difficult to plan any more than say 20 years ahead. Meanwhile, the general population is fed subliminal information that hints that there will be massive job losses and (shock horror) house prices will plummet unless we ignore the coming crisis and take measures to tend to the very real threat that the Market will crash unless we encourage more and more consumers to use more and more resources.
In summary, the democratic view is keep feeding Mammon at all costs. The undemocratic view is to listen to the technical advisers.
....hypothetically speaking of course.
Knowing that Chinese technicians usually produce very crappy products I would not trust Chinese technical advisers to come with credible solution and as it happened I was correct. Future had shown that after the crisis had passed democratic nations enjoyed even better life style and happiness while undemocratic China get itself even in deeper problems again.
Disclaimer: All that of course was hypothetical speak as the genre of hypo dictates.
Dear Tallwood I am amused that you even don’t know ( or you don’t want to know ) that in your country you don’t have democracy? and then you criticise others because they don’t have democracy??? Isn’t it a little bit hypocritical?.
So let’s see what Plato said about democracy in his “Republic”.
Looking specifically at each government, Plato situates each government in their respectable positions beginning with the ideal state and slowly escalating to the worst possible system, which are in order as follows: aristocracy, timarchy, oligarchy, democracy, and tyranny. Plato views democracy as one of the lowest forms of government in terms of his proposal of the ideal state.
As we can see Monarchy and democracy are totally different or opposing concepts of government.
You can either have a Monarch ( monarchy ) elected by God or democratically elected leader, who is elected by populus.
So let’s see what you have.
You have a Foreign Monarch as your absolute head of state who can sack your democratically elected prime minister ( as it happened to Gough Whitlam in seventies).
Is it democracy or hypocrisy? And after that you claim you have democracy and criticise China for not not having democracy.
Do you still think that Australia is not British colony? and do you still think that Australia has democracy?
Lovely artos, you obviously don't know that Plato never lived in Australia, in fact he didn't even know that Australia existed. But now after I have informed you cease to refer to Plato trying to prove that Australia has no democracy.
BTW, China do produce crappy things cheap but crappy. You can't drill Australian hardwood with crappy Chinese drill bits too many times before it goes blunt.
Anyway compare to idiots Stalin and Mao any of our political democratically elected leaders are saints. I know that you know it and that's why you are here and not there.
As for Gough I have already said that democracy has checks on power of individuals.
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