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Reply #45 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:30pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 6:12pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

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Doesn't it feels uncomfortable to use something that is too big for you?

Do we need to take an advantage of someone's modesty and honesty?

Who is and what is the winner?

And she said: "They have the best universities in the world, but they can’t figure out their ethics and morality, that’s why they go broke".

Democracy is the winner in comparison to other systems.

To throw names around without reason is false modesty. To refuse answer questions connected to those names is not honesty.

Did she break her nail scratching her head?

He could not, but because you are so smart maybe you can answer those questions:

1. Is your country a British colony?

If Australia is not British colony, how come British monarch can sack your prime minister?

2. Do you have monarchy or democracy?
For example USA has democracy, and you?

You can not have monarchy and democracy at the same time, then this is a Hypocrisy.
To have a democracy, your head of state must be elected by people not by God.

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Reply #46 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:40pm

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Is your country a British colony?

No.

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If Australia is not British colony, how come British monarch can sack your prime minister?

Because she is also the Australian monarch.

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Do you have monarchy or democracy?

Democracy, to the extent your question does not raise a false dichotomy.

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You can not have monarchy and democracy at the same time

Yes we can. We can have whatever we want. That is the beauty of democracy.

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then this is a Hypocrisy

It would be hypocritical to deny people the system they voted for.

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To have a democracy, your head of state must be elected by people not by God.

Wrong. Demcoracy requires that your leader or representative be elected. We could have a stone statue for a head of state and we would still be a democracy.

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Reply #47 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:50pm

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 6:12pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

Doesn't it feels uncomfortable to use something that is too big for you?

Do we need to take an advantage of someone's modesty and honesty?

Who is and what is the winner?

And she said: "They have the best universities in the world, but they can’t figure out their ethics and morality, that’s why they go broke".

Democracy is the winner in comparison to other systems.

To throw names around without reason is false modesty. To refuse answer questions connected to those names is not honesty.

Did she break her nail scratching her head?

He could not, but because you are so smart maybe you can answer those questions:

1. Is your country a British colony?

If Australia is not British colony, how come British monarch can sack your prime minister?

2. Do you have monarchy or democracy?
For example USA has democracy, and you?

You can not have monarchy and democracy at the same time, then this is a Hypocrisy.
To have a democracy, your head of state must be elected by people not by God.

You haven't answer my questions yet. Do that and then I will answer more of yours.

Here they are together with my answers to your previous questions.

1 My country isn't British colony for quiet a while now
What about your country whose colony is it?

2 I have democracy albeit somewhat different from the USA model.
Do you have dictatorship like in USSR or like in China?

Extra penalty question: Are you Chinese made bot(you keep repeating yourself too often so you can't be Australian made bot)?

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Re: Actual current top religions
Reply #48 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:17pm

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:40pm:

Quote:

Is your country a British colony?

No.

Quote:

If Australia is not British colony, how come British monarch can sack your prime minister?

Because she is also the Australian monarch.

Quote:

Do you have monarchy or democracy?

Democracy, to the extent your question does not raise a false dichotomy.

Quote:

You can not have monarchy and democracy at the same time

Yes we can. We can have whatever we want. That is the beauty of democracy.

Quote:

then this is a Hypocrisy

It would be hypocritical to deny people the system they voted for.

Quote:

To have a democracy, your head of state must be elected by people not by God.

Wrong. Demcoracy requires that your leader or representative be elected. We could have a stone statue for a head of state and we would still be a democracy.

Well

“In the world of universal deceit everything is possible”

Sir please provide serious answers not false self consolation.

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Reply #49 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:19pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:50pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 6:12pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

Doesn't it feels uncomfortable to use something that is too big for you?

Do we need to take an advantage of someone's modesty and honesty?

Who is and what is the winner?

And she said: "They have the best universities in the world, but they can’t figure out their ethics and morality, that’s why they go broke".

Democracy is the winner in comparison to other systems.

To throw names around without reason is false modesty. To refuse answer questions connected to those names is not honesty.

Did she break her nail scratching her head?

He could not, but because you are so smart maybe you can answer those questions:

1. Is your country a British colony?

If Australia is not British colony, how come British monarch can sack your prime minister?

2. Do you have monarchy or democracy?
For example USA has democracy, and you?

You can not have monarchy and democracy at the same time, then this is a Hypocrisy.
To have a democracy, your head of state must be elected by people not by God.

You haven't answer my questions yet. Do that and then I will answer more of yours.

Here they are together with my answers to your previous questions.

1 My country isn't British colony for quiet a while now
What about your country whose colony is it?

2 I have democracy albeit somewhat different from the USA model.
Do you have dictatorship like in USSR or like in China?

Extra penalty question: Are you Chinese made bot(you keep repeating yourself too often so you can't be Australian made bot)?

Also in accordance with great Pome Cronulla tradition, please be calm and control negative emotions.

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In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Actual current top religions
Reply #50 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:27pm

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:19pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:50pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 6:12pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

Doesn't it feels uncomfortable to use something that is too big for you?

Do we need to take an advantage of someone's modesty and honesty?

Who is and what is the winner?

And she said: "They have the best universities in the world, but they can’t figure out their ethics and morality, that’s why they go broke".

Democracy is the winner in comparison to other systems.

To throw names around without reason is false modesty. To refuse answer questions connected to those names is not honesty.

Did she break her nail scratching her head?

He could not, but because you are so smart maybe you can answer those questions:

1. Is your country a British colony?

If Australia is not British colony, how come British monarch can sack your prime minister?

2. Do you have monarchy or democracy?
For example USA has democracy, and you?

You can not have monarchy and democracy at the same time, then this is a Hypocrisy.
To have a democracy, your head of state must be elected by people not by God.

You haven't answer my questions yet. Do that and then I will answer more of yours.

Here they are together with my answers to your previous questions.

1 My country isn't British colony for quiet a while now
What about your country whose colony is it?

2 I have democracy albeit somewhat different from the USA model.
Do you have dictatorship like in USSR or like in China?

Extra penalty question: Are you Chinese made bot(you keep repeating yourself too often so you can't be Australian made bot)?

Also in accordance with great Pome Cronulla tradition, please be calm and control negative emotions.

My emotions are always positive. How about yours? Do bots have emotions, artos?
Or is it the same as with answering questions, light on but nobody home?

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Re: Actual current top religions
Reply #51 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:35pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:27pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:19pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:50pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 6:12pm:

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

Quote:

Doesn't it feels uncomfortable to use something that is too big for you?

Do we need to take an advantage of someone's modesty and honesty?

Who is and what is the winner?

And she said: "They have the best universities in the world, but they can’t figure out their ethics and morality, that’s why they go broke".

Democracy is the winner in comparison to other systems.

To throw names around without reason is false modesty. To refuse answer questions connected to those names is not honesty.

Did she break her nail scratching her head?

He could not, but because you are so smart maybe you can answer those questions:

1. Is your country a British colony?

If Australia is not British colony, how come British monarch can sack your prime minister?

2. Do you have monarchy or democracy?
For example USA has democracy, and you?

You can not have monarchy and democracy at the same time, then this is a Hypocrisy.
To have a democracy, your head of state must be elected by people not by God.

You haven't answer my questions yet. Do that and then I will answer more of yours.

Here they are together with my answers to your previous questions.

1 My country isn't British colony for quiet a while now
What about your country whose colony is it?

2 I have democracy albeit somewhat different from the USA model.
Do you have dictatorship like in USSR or like in China?

Extra penalty question: Are you Chinese made bot(you keep repeating yourself too often so you can't be Australian made bot)?

Also in accordance with great Pome Cronulla tradition, please be calm and control negative emotions.

My emotions are always positive. How about yours? Do bots have emotions, artos?
Or is it the same as with answering questions, light on but nobody home?

That’s OK. I hope you are right. All the best.

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Reply #52 - Nov 26^th, 2008 at 10:05am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 3:28pm:

athos wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2008 at 12:50pm:

If we forget formal rhetoric and consider reality we can recognise the following top religions in the west and elsewhere:

For example Catholic Church did it long time ago by introducing new dogma about Pope’s infallibility (sinless or Pope is a God) and so on.
With this new dogma Catholic Church actually replaced God with the human being, at least as his representative on earth.
Immediately after introducing the new dogma Jesuits had their new motto: “We don’t need Christ we have a Pope”.

I think you need to research the doctrine of Papal infallibility. You are confusing infallibility, under strict conditions, on articles of faith (used only once since its proclamation in 1870) with impeccability. The Pope is not free or exempt from sin.

i said this about 5 posts ago

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Reply #53 - Nov 26^th, 2008 at 10:07am

athos wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 6:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 3:28pm:

athos wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2008 at 12:50pm:

If we forget formal rhetoric and consider reality we can recognise the following top religions in the west and elsewhere:

For example Catholic Church did it long time ago by introducing new dogma about Pope’s infallibility (sinless or Pope is a God) and so on.
With this new dogma Catholic Church actually replaced God with the human being, at least as his representative on earth.
Immediately after introducing the new dogma Jesuits had their new motto: “We don’t need Christ we have a Pope”.

I think you need to research the doctrine of Papal infallibility. You are confusing infallibility, under strict conditions, on articles of faith (used only once since its proclamation in 1870) with impeccability. The Pope is not free or exempt from sin.

http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2005/11/my-name-is-god-and-these-are-my.html

why did you waste my time on that?

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Reply #54 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:42am

athos wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2008 at 12:50pm:

For example Catholic Church did it long time ago by introducing new dogma about Pope’s infallibility (sinless or Pope is a God) and so on.
With this new dogma Catholic Church actually replaced God with the human being, at least as his representative on earth.
Immediately after introducing the new dogma Jesuits had their new motto: “We don’t need Christ we have a Pope”.

i said this about 5 posts ago [/quote]

Pope Caught Orchestrating Church Pedophile Cover Up

http://bsalert.com/news/1418/Pope_Ca..._Cover_Up.html

A BBC documentary has exposed that Pope Benedict XVI, aka Cardinal Ratzinger, played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

A secret document which sets out a procedure for dealing with child sex abuse scandals within the Catholic Church is examined by BBC documentary show Panorama.

Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.

Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.

Reporting for Panorama, Colm O'Gorman finds seven priests with child abuse allegations made against them living in and around the Vatican City.

One of the priests, Father Joseph Henn, has been indicted on 13 molestation charges brought by a grand jury in the United States.

During filming for Sex Crimes and the Vatican, Colm finds Father Henn is fighting extradition orders from inside the headquarters of this religious order in the Vatican.

The Vatican has not compelled him to return to America to face the charges against him.

After filming, Father Henn lost his fight against extradition but fled the headquarters and is believed to be hiding in Italy while there is an international warrant for his arrest.

Colm O'Gorman was raped by a Catholic priest in the diocese of Ferns in County Wexford in Ireland when he was 14 years old.

Father Fortune was charged with 66 counts of sexual, indecent assault and another serious sexual offence relating to eight boys but he committed suicide on the eve of his trial.

Colm started an investigation with the BBC in March 2002 which led to the resignation of Dr Brendan Comiskey, the bishop leading the Ferns Diocese.

Colm then pushed for a government inquiry which led to the Ferns Report.

It was published in October 2005 and found: "A culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children."

The Catholic Church has 50 million children in its worldwide congregation and no universal child protection policy although in the UK there is the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children & Vulnerable Adults.

In some countries this means that the Crimen Sollicitationis is the only policy followed.

The Vatican has refused repeated requests from Panorama to respond to any of the cases shown in the film.

Watch Sex Crimes and the Vatican http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ma/5402928.stm

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Reply #56 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:50am

athos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:42am:

athos wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2008 at 12:50pm:

For example Catholic Church did it long time ago by introducing new dogma about Pope’s infallibility (sinless or Pope is a God) and so on.
With this new dogma Catholic Church actually replaced God with the human being, at least as his representative on earth.
Immediately after introducing the new dogma Jesuits had their new motto: “We don’t need Christ we have a Pope”.

i said this about 5 posts ago

Pope Caught Orchestrating Church Pedophile Cover Up

http://bsalert.com/news/1418/Pope_Ca..._Cover_Up.html

A BBC documentary has exposed that Pope Benedict XVI, aka Cardinal Ratzinger, played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

A secret document which sets out a procedure for dealing with child sex abuse scandals within the Catholic Church is examined by BBC documentary show Panorama.

Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.

Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.

Reporting for Panorama, Colm O'Gorman finds seven priests with child abuse allegations made against them living in and around the Vatican City.

One of the priests, Father Joseph Henn, has been indicted on 13 molestation charges brought by a grand jury in the United States.

During filming for Sex Crimes and the Vatican, Colm finds Father Henn is fighting extradition orders from inside the headquarters of this religious order in the Vatican.

The Vatican has not compelled him to return to America to face the charges against him.

After filming, Father Henn lost his fight against extradition but fled the headquarters and is believed to be hiding in Italy while there is an international warrant for his arrest.

Colm O'Gorman was raped by a Catholic priest in the diocese of Ferns in County Wexford in Ireland when he was 14 years old.

Father Fortune was charged with 66 counts of sexual, indecent assault and another serious sexual offence relating to eight boys but he committed suicide on the eve of his trial.

Colm started an investigation with the BBC in March 2002 which led to the resignation of Dr Brendan Comiskey, the bishop leading the Ferns Diocese.

Colm then pushed for a government inquiry which led to the Ferns Report.

It was published in October 2005 and found: "A culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children."

The Catholic Church has 50 million children in its worldwide congregation and no universal child protection policy although in the UK there is the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children & Vulnerable Adults.

In some countries this means that the Crimen Sollicitationis is the only policy followed.

The Vatican has refused repeated requests from Panorama to respond to any of the cases shown in the film.

Watch Sex Crimes and the Vatican http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ma/5402928.stm

Another idiot conspiracy theorist.

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Reply #57 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:59am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:50am:

athos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:42am:

athos wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2008 at 12:50pm:

For example Catholic Church did it long time ago by introducing new dogma about Pope’s infallibility (sinless or Pope is a God) and so on.
With this new dogma Catholic Church actually replaced God with the human being, at least as his representative on earth.
Immediately after introducing the new dogma Jesuits had their new motto: “We don’t need Christ we have a Pope”.

i said this about 5 posts ago

Pope Caught Orchestrating Church Pedophile Cover Up

http://bsalert.com/news/1418/Pope_Ca..._Cover_Up.html

A BBC documentary has exposed that Pope Benedict XVI, aka Cardinal Ratzinger, played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

A secret document which sets out a procedure for dealing with child sex abuse scandals within the Catholic Church is examined by BBC documentary show Panorama.

Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.

Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.

Reporting for Panorama, Colm O'Gorman finds seven priests with child abuse allegations made against them living in and around the Vatican City.

One of the priests, Father Joseph Henn, has been indicted on 13 molestation charges brought by a grand jury in the United States.

During filming for Sex Crimes and the Vatican, Colm finds Father Henn is fighting extradition orders from inside the headquarters of this religious order in the Vatican.

The Vatican has not compelled him to return to America to face the charges against him.

After filming, Father Henn lost his fight against extradition but fled the headquarters and is believed to be hiding in Italy while there is an international warrant for his arrest.

Colm O'Gorman was raped by a Catholic priest in the diocese of Ferns in County Wexford in Ireland when he was 14 years old.

Father Fortune was charged with 66 counts of sexual, indecent assault and another serious sexual offence relating to eight boys but he committed suicide on the eve of his trial.

Colm started an investigation with the BBC in March 2002 which led to the resignation of Dr Brendan Comiskey, the bishop leading the Ferns Diocese.

Colm then pushed for a government inquiry which led to the Ferns Report.

It was published in October 2005 and found: "A culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children."

The Catholic Church has 50 million children in its worldwide congregation and no universal child protection policy although in the UK there is the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children & Vulnerable Adults.

In some countries this means that the Crimen Sollicitationis is the only policy followed.

The Vatican has refused repeated requests from Panorama to respond to any of the cases shown in the film.

Watch Sex Crimes and the Vatican http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ma/5402928.stm

Another idiot conspiracy theorist.

Once Jean Paul Sartre said:
"In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act"

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Reply #58 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:06am

athos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:59am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:50am:

athos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:42am:

athos wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2008 at 12:50pm:

For example Catholic Church did it long time ago by introducing new dogma about Pope’s infallibility (sinless or Pope is a God) and so on.
With this new dogma Catholic Church actually replaced God with the human being, at least as his representative on earth.
Immediately after introducing the new dogma Jesuits had their new motto: “We don’t need Christ we have a Pope”.

i said this about 5 posts ago

Pope Caught Orchestrating Church Pedophile Cover Up

http://bsalert.com/news/1418/Pope_Ca..._Cover_Up.html

A BBC documentary has exposed that Pope Benedict XVI, aka Cardinal Ratzinger, played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

A secret document which sets out a procedure for dealing with child sex abuse scandals within the Catholic Church is examined by BBC documentary show Panorama.

Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.

Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.

Reporting for Panorama, Colm O'Gorman finds seven priests with child abuse allegations made against them living in and around the Vatican City.

One of the priests, Father Joseph Henn, has been indicted on 13 molestation charges brought by a grand jury in the United States.

During filming for Sex Crimes and the Vatican, Colm finds Father Henn is fighting extradition orders from inside the headquarters of this religious order in the Vatican.

The Vatican has not compelled him to return to America to face the charges against him.

After filming, Father Henn lost his fight against extradition but fled the headquarters and is believed to be hiding in Italy while there is an international warrant for his arrest.

Colm O'Gorman was raped by a Catholic priest in the diocese of Ferns in County Wexford in Ireland when he was 14 years old.

Father Fortune was charged with 66 counts of sexual, indecent assault and another serious sexual offence relating to eight boys but he committed suicide on the eve of his trial.

Colm started an investigation with the BBC in March 2002 which led to the resignation of Dr Brendan Comiskey, the bishop leading the Ferns Diocese.

Colm then pushed for a government inquiry which led to the Ferns Report.

It was published in October 2005 and found: "A culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children."

The Catholic Church has 50 million children in its worldwide congregation and no universal child protection policy although in the UK there is the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children & Vulnerable Adults.

In some countries this means that the Crimen Sollicitationis is the only policy followed.

The Vatican has refused repeated requests from Panorama to respond to any of the cases shown in the film.

Watch Sex Crimes and the Vatican http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ma/5402928.stm

Another idiot conspiracy theorist.

Once Jean Paul Sartre said:
"In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act"

QED

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