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Reply #15 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 10:24am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:10am:

yadda - anyone can leave their place of employment for any reason.

yes, it is unwise to disobey the police.

we are a fair way from any such scenario you paint.

there is a LOT of peace in the world.

And

it is up to us to ensure freedom and peace spreads

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sprint,

Hmmmm....

I've heard it said,
"ISLAM is peace. And that submission to Allah, is freedom."

You are not thinking of converting [to ISLAM], to pursue those goals are you???
[just kidding! Wink

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #17 - Nov 24^th, 2008 at 11:35am

muso wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 8:18am:

Oh dear. What happened to just accepting your lot, such as the kiss of Judas in the Garden of gethsemane, and walking that extra mile, and turning the other cheek?

The Word of God is not something to be manipulated for our own purposes. Even Satan can quote scripture (Luke 4:1-14)

"Thy word is true from the beginning; and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever" (Psalm 119)

He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone.

Humilitas

Noone can get into Heaven without the virtue of humility.

Psalms 34:18
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Proverbs 16:19
Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

humble muslim street protest - London

more humble muslims in the UK.

Was something said, about being humble?.....

Controversial mufti attacks Australia in TV interview
Barney Zwartz
January 12, 2007
CONTROVERSIAL Muslim leader Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali has savaged Australia in an interview on Egyptian television, claiming there is no freedom or democracy for Muslims and that English people are the most unjust and dishonest.
The Mufti of Australia said Muslims were more Australian than Anglo-Saxons because they came here voluntarily, that Australians played the "fear card" to keep Muslims down, and that racial prejudice was the reason for the 55-year sentence given to gang rapist Bilal Skaf.
"Anglo-Saxons came to Australia in chains, while we (Muslims) paid our way and came in freedom. We are more Australian than them. Australia is not an Anglo-Saxon country Islam has deep roots in Australian soil that were there before the English arrived," Sheikh Hilali said.
.....During the half-hour program, Sheikh Hilali said the controversy showed how standards were skewed and claims were fabricated. "There is no freedom and no democracy (for Muslims) the most dishonest and unjust people are Western people and the English in particular."
over 2 pages...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/controversial-mufti-attacks-australia-in-...

We must all seek peace, and be tolerant of others [no matter how evil they are].....

'.....Just like in muslim countries.'

image source
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/15/out-of-context-fair-go-harmony-under-sharia/

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Isaiah 57:13
When thou criest, let thy companies deliver thee; but the wind shall carry them all away; vanity shall take them: but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain;
14 And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people.
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.
18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.
19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

muso,

My heart is revived.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #18 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 1:40pm

WHERE IS EUROPE HEADING???

FREE SPEECH IS A 'CRIME',
.....in at least one European parliament today.

November 29, 2008
Austrian pol who spoke negatively of Muhammad loses Parliamentary immunity
"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Sahih Bukhari, volume 7, book 62, number 88
More Eurabian madness: an Austrian politician who made an accurate statement about Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, as shown by the hadith above, is facing prosecution for it. When someone can get put on trial for telling the truth, the society has already tipped over into totalitarian thought control, and the totalitarian fascists in question are the European EU elites.
......The Immunity Committee of the National Assembly is expected to decide today on the handing over of the MPs Susanne Winter (FPÖ) and Peter Westenthaler (BZÖ) to the judiciary.
The Immunity Committee of the National Council will decide Tuesday whether immunity will be lifted from two parliamentary members, the FPÖ representative Susanne Winter, and former BZÖ leader Peter Westenthaler. It is expected that the committee will decide to hand them over to the judiciary.
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Winter is to be sued over Islamophobic statements and because of citing hatred and vilifying religious teachings.....
......Susanne Winter, the infamous local FPÖ politician, now a member of parliament, declared that:

“In today’s system” the Prophet Muhammad would be considered a “child molester,” apparently referring to his marriage to a six-year-old child. She also said that it is time for Islam to be “thrown back where it came from, behind the Mediterranean.”

She was heavily attacked and denounced for these — true — words. Muslims in Austria were outraged, Muslims outside Austria resorted to the usual reaction: death threats. Her own political party deserted her.

Winter was quickly indicted on charges of incitement and degradation of religious symbols and religious agitation, an offense which carries a maximum sentence of two years.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023709.php

SOME COMMENTS, MADE ON THE SAME JW PAGE.....

"The world has truly gone mad.
Degradation of religious symbols? Muhammad did that all by himself."

"You cannot 'defame' anyone by speaking the truth. Calling Muhammad a 'paedophile' is legitimate criticism after his treatment of Aisha.
The best arguments against Islam are to be found in the Quran and the Hadith."

"Parliamentary immunity as a matter of law and public policy is intended to protect lawmakers and allow them to speak openly and freely about matters important to public health and safety.
Removing immunity at the whim of the majority is no immunity at all. Lawmakers from all parts of the political spectrum are harmed when political speech is criminalized; especially speech that when spoken is permissible, and is made criminal AFTER the speech is made.
.....They irreparably damage their own political systems by making a mockery of parliamentary immunity."

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Q.
Why do so many ppl in the 'West' hate, the speaking of the TRUTH today?

A.
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Q.
Why is TRUTH so 'offensive', to so many today??

A.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: WOULD YOU DEFY A BAN ON CRITICISING ISLAM? Reply #19 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 2:00pm muslims have tried that in Aussie already and on this site.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: WOULD YOU DEFY A BAN ON CRITICISING ISLAM? Reply #21 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:10pm Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 8:01pm: Islam is the only religion that would ever think of trying to intimidate people into not fearing it. Atheism is second.
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Reply #22 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:21pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 8:01pm:

Islam is the only religion that would ever think of trying to intimidate people into not fearing it.

Atheism is second.

No, I was wrong. The walrus is second after Islam.
Quote:

"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.

But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.

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Reply #23 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 8:18pm

I would defy such a ban. Watch out now, as the Rudd government is talking about a Bill of Rights. It is likely that people will put up a "Prevention of Defamation of Religion (er I mean Islam)' type right, which will mean the gagging of ANY criticism of Islam.

Islam is not just a religion, it is a system of government and a legal system. It should be, and deserves to be, criticised like any other government and legal system. Not granted immunity because it is a 'religion' to do all manner of things without them being discussed.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #24 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 9:26pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:21pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 8:01pm:

Islam is the only religion that would ever think of trying to intimidate people into not fearing it.

Atheism is second.

No, I was wrong. The walrus is second after Islam.

Achh. Ve haf vays to make you luv us. Ze beatings vill continue until you lern to like us.
Orders must be obeyed at all times.

( how do you do this in mock Arabic?)

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Reply #25 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 9:26pm

Calanen wrote on Dec 4^th, 2008 at 8:18pm:

I would defy such a ban. Watch out now, as the Rudd government is talking about a Bill of Rights. It is likely that people will put up a "Prevention of Defamation of Religion (er I mean Islam)' type right, which will mean the gagging of ANY criticism of Islam.

Islam is not just a religion, it is a system of government and a legal system. It should be, and deserves to be, criticised like any other government and legal system. Not granted immunity because it is a 'religion' to do all manner of things without them being discussed.

yes I think any bill of rights should be there to protect freedoms, not to prohibit action- that's what we have laws for. speech about religion should come under the same laws used for public speech about any other matter

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Reply #26 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 9:30pm

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 4^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

Calanen wrote on Dec 4^th, 2008 at 8:18pm:

I would defy such a ban. Watch out now, as the Rudd government is talking about a Bill of Rights. It is likely that people will put up a "Prevention of Defamation of Religion (er I mean Islam)' type right, which will mean the gagging of ANY criticism of Islam.

Islam is not just a religion, it is a system of government and a legal system. It should be, and deserves to be, criticised like any other government and legal system. Not granted immunity because it is a 'religion' to do all manner of things without them being discussed.

yes I think any bill of rights should be there to protect freedoms, not to prohibit action- that's what we have laws for. speech about religion should come under the same laws used for public speech about any other matter

Blow me down wif a feather, milk monitor! Heartiest slap on the back for that, old fruit. I didn't think it was in you.
Cheers.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: WOULD YOU DEFY A BAN ON CRITICISING ISLAM? Reply #27 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 11:50pm gaybriel - well the islamics don't think that at all. they have forced a bill through the UN (I believe) to ban ALL criticism of religions, esp islam !! What do you say about that ? What do the muzzies in MV and other sites say about that ?? Do they want free speech, or world control ??
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Reply #28 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 11:55pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 4^th, 2008 at 11:50pm:

gaybriel - well the islamics don't think that at all.

they have forced a bill through the UN (I believe) to ban ALL criticism of religions, esp islam !!

What do you say about that ?
What do the muzzies in MV and other sites say about that ??

Do they want free speech, or world control ??

The party line seems to be that there can be 'No Defamation of Religion', which means, no criticism of Islam. Criticism of 'Zionism' (re Israel and Jews) is perhaps demanded, rather than prevented. The UN Committee on Human Rights is a farce now, it is just used to demonise Israel and shout down any criticism of sharia.

What individual muslims want will always vary. What Islam wants, and demands, is the whole world ruled under allah and Islam. What it commands all muslims to do, is to fight jihad to make this happen. Whether muslims answer the call or not, matters not so much that the call is there. Some will answer, and are answering. And we are in denial about it.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: WOULD YOU DEFY A BAN ON CRITICISING ISLAM? Reply #29 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 12:32am zionism is different to judaism just like terrorism committed by muslims is different to islam
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