on the ISLAM board....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1227250753/0#0

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A GAG ON CRITICISING ISLAM - WOULD YOU DEFY SUCH A BAN?

If the Australian government adopted a United Nations [?] recommendation, and enacted a law to ban all criticism of ISLAM, would you be prepared to defy that law?

Or would you feel compelled to obey such a law?



If an Australian government adopted such a law, would this be the first steps towards embracing of tyranny?

Wouldn't the adoption of such a law, be counter-intuitive to all common freedoms, a society such as ours enjoys?

I think this will bring a lot more people to criticise Islam. And it will get harder and harder for Muslims to claim that these lunatics do not represent Islam. The Americans especially will not tolerate this nonsense.

Already posted an article on it... but in a muslim country I wouldn't defy it.

For reasons Jordan mentioned.

But then I have hardly ever bothered with Islam or criticised it...  except here...  (even themn I ignored the forum for ages) which doesn't even amount to a pitence of my life.

Nothing to see there, folks, just a few people hanging around.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2008 at 9:01pm:




sprint,

Who is our earthly master?

I have no earthly master, none i can think of.

I always thought that under our system of government, MP's and governments, were [technically] our employees [our servants]?
.....even though some politicians may at times, think otherwise.

Under our system of government, our elected governments still derive their authority to govern from the ppl who elect them.

That is us [if you are a voter].

If an elected government becomes a tyranny, and becomes unrepresentative, and oppressive, should we obey its laws?





A lot ppl [who have been brainwashed, and deceived, and are] living in [nominally] ISLAMIC states today, think that they should submit themselves, to the tyrants who rule them.

I do not believe that i am 'bound' to submit myself to a tyrants rule.

Maybe i feel that way, because i was born a free person?



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Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15  And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.


Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


2 Corinthians 4:1
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2  But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.


We speak up, we don't shy away, we do not bend the knee to evil.

We do not submit ourselves to evil, to be the worldly servants of it.

We follow Christ.

Today, is a good day to die.
....though i hope to keep breathing for a few more days yet.


Matthew 16:21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22  Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23  But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26  For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?


Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God [redeemed].
15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2008 at 10:53pm:


No.

If i felt my employer was acting immorally, am i obliged to remain there?




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Technically, my servants.

I obey the instructions of police, because on the whole, i believe our current laws, serve justice.
....though many would argue that today, our justice system is becoming dysfunctional [unjust, for some victims of violent crimes, for instance].




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sprint,

If our government changed the law, and the justice system determined that i should cut your head off.

Because you broke our laws, and didn't pray to Allah 5 times a day, or because you changed your religion, should i obey the law?

Should i obey, because i must obey its legal authority?





sprint,

Do we [as Christians] derive our 'moral compass', from those who have worldly authority over us?

I think not.

God tells us what is right and what is wrong, and he has put that knowledge [of what is right and wrong] into our hearts....


Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.




Judges 21:25
In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.


sprint, this is still happening in the world, today, every man does what is right in his own eyes.

Why?

This is all another parable.....

Q.
Who is the [real] king of Israel?

A.
God.

You as a Christian, are a part of Israel, you are NOT a part of the world.

God should be your King.

And you follow his rules.

Which are......

Psalms 34:14
Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

Where does peace come from???

Peace comes from, Justice.

Where does Justice thrive.

Justice is prolific, when we [as a society] depart from evil.



ergo.....
Q.
......why is there so little peace in the world today?

A.
There is no justice in the world.

Why?

Again,

Judges 21:25
In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.



Paul summed up, where man has gone wrong.....

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13  Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15  Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16  Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17  And the way of peace have they not known:
18  There is no fear of God before their eyes.



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Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Robert M Pirsig

Yadda wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2008 at 11:20pm:


Oh dear. What happened to just accepting your lot, such as the kiss of Judas in the Garden of gethsemane, and walking that extra mile, and turning the other cheek?

The Word of God is not something to be manipulated for our own purposes. Even Satan can quote scripture (Luke 4:1-14)

"Thy word is true from the beginning; and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever" (Psalm 119)

He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone.

Humilitas

Noone can get into Heaven without the virtue of humility.

tallow - yes, thats the best idea.
I believe that is what US is aiming for.