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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #30 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:46pm

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 6:02pm:

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History certainly is repeating itself. It happened with Vietnam (Where hippies and other assorted pot-smoking morons forced America to go soft), and now it's happening on a grander scale across the entire western world.
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Vietnam war was completely different.

1 Vietcong did not go around killing American or Australian civvies.
2 There was forced conscription into Army.

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Reply #31 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:48pm

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 6:02pm:

muso wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 7:05am:

They are just as much victims as the others.

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The attackers were just pawns.

...And it's attitudes like these that gives terrorists motivation to continue their attacks.

Terrorists carrying out these operations are not stupid. They are aware that our society is filled with gullible multiculturalism/equality morons ready to have 'sympathy' for these nutjobs and they take full advantage of it.

At the end of the day, we have no-one to blame but ourselves. If we took the no bullsh1t approach to terrorists and didn't have an attitude like the above posters, I'm pretty sure the number of terrorism attacks would be extraordinarily different.

Honestly, what is the purpose of terrorist attacks? Publicity. Advertisement.

If we simply turned away from our TV screens and didn't pay any attention to these Muslims (Aka. Parasites), and didn't have 'sympathy' for them like so many so-called 'intellectuals' try to teach our OWN CITIZENS at our Universities and schools, then perhaps the number of terrorist attacks would drop.

History certainly is repeating itself. It happened with Vietnam (Where hippies and other assorted pot-smoking morons forced America to go soft), and now it's happening on a grander scale across the entire western world.

Just call every Muslim attacker what they should be called, a murderer and a coward. Stop with all this 'misunderstood' bullsh1t. Honestly, how could anyone be stupid enough to think that killing someone will get them into 'heaven?' It's certainly a tragic event... for the victims. But in no way is it tragic for the scumbags who did this.

DT you seem to be misinterpretting my post. Saying they are 'just a pawn' is not sympathetic. Suppose I said the same about one of your ancestors who died defending our country. Would you interpret it as sympathetic?

Also, stop insulting Abu.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: more islamics dead Reply #32 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:50pm mantra wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 6:05pm: [quote]... Why are our terrorist attacks justified even though innocent civilians are always the victims? ... What are you talking about? Australian army don't target civilians deliberately. Most of kills are armed militants like Taliban or AQ fighters.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: more islamics dead Reply #33 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 12:45am DILLIGAF wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 12:51am: Gaybriel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 12:05am: yes but the fact is they are dead and the only solace to be found is that god will deal with them justly What is this ''GOD'' that you speak of Gaybriel? well I believe there is a god- that's as far as I've gotten so far
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40723 Gender:	Re: more islamics dead Reply #34 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:12am gaybriel - and is he a sort of God who wants everyone to be like puppets ? Giving 1000's of strict instructions to be followed slavishly all their lives ? Handing out severe punishments left right and centre ? Talking through a paedophile, then never again to anyone else ?
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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #35 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 9:00am

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 12:45am:

DILLIGAF wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 12:51am:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 12:05am:

yes but the fact is they are dead and the only solace to be found is that god will deal with them justly

What is this ''GOD'' that you speak of Gaybriel?

well I believe there is a god- that's as far as I've gotten so far

His name isn't Hugh Jackman by any chance , is it? I think I've heard enough about how 'wonderful' he is.

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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #36 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 4:00pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:46pm:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 6:02pm:

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History certainly is repeating itself. It happened with Vietnam (Where hippies and other assorted pot-smoking morons forced America to go soft), and now it's happening on a grander scale across the entire western world.
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Vietnam war was completely different.

1 Vietcong did not go around killing American or Australian civvies.
2 There was forced conscription into Army.

Yeah, and the Vietcong probably weren't aware of how powerful the media is in fighting wars.

I think the Iraqis and Afghanis are using the Viet War as a blueprint on how to beat the Americans. Particularly if they stretch out a guerilla campaign for a long period of time.

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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #37 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 4:04pm

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 9:48pm:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 6:02pm:

muso wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 7:05am:

They are just as much victims as the others.

Freediver

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The attackers were just pawns.

...And it's attitudes like these that gives terrorists motivation to continue their attacks.

Terrorists carrying out these operations are not stupid. They are aware that our society is filled with gullible multiculturalism/equality morons ready to have 'sympathy' for these nutjobs and they take full advantage of it.

At the end of the day, we have no-one to blame but ourselves. If we took the no bullsh1t approach to terrorists and didn't have an attitude like the above posters, I'm pretty sure the number of terrorism attacks would be extraordinarily different.

Honestly, what is the purpose of terrorist attacks? Publicity. Advertisement.

If we simply turned away from our TV screens and didn't pay any attention to these Muslims (Aka. Parasites), and didn't have 'sympathy' for them like so many so-called 'intellectuals' try to teach our OWN CITIZENS at our Universities and schools, then perhaps the number of terrorist attacks would drop.

History certainly is repeating itself. It happened with Vietnam (Where hippies and other assorted pot-smoking morons forced America to go soft), and now it's happening on a grander scale across the entire western world.

Just call every Muslim attacker what they should be called, a murderer and a coward. Stop with all this 'misunderstood' bullsh1t. Honestly, how could anyone be stupid enough to think that killing someone will get them into 'heaven?' It's certainly a tragic event... for the victims. But in no way is it tragic for the scumbags who did this.

DT you seem to be misinterpretting my post. Saying they are 'just a pawn' is not sympathetic. Suppose I said the same about one of your ancestors who died defending our country. Would you interpret it as sympathetic?

Also, stop insulting Abu.

Who cares if I'm misinterpreting your post? That's the whole point. Everyone will misinterpret your post. By calling them 'pawns' you're basically saying that those who carried out the attacks are not responsible for their own actions because a 'higher power' carried out those attacks. It's basically saying to have sympathy for those who carried out the attacks because they're PAW WITTLE INNOCENT PAWNS!

You may not mean that by what you're saying, but that's how others will read it and that's what you're implying.

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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #38 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 5:17pm

Deepthought you seem to be confusing an honest analysis of strategic position with sympathy for the enemy. Interpretting all but the most openly hostile comments as sympathetic only encourages people to stop thinking rationally about how to destroy your enemy. We don't all have to beat our chest constantly to prove our allegiance. You are being hypersensitive and trying to create your own brand of political correctness.

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Who cares if I'm misinterpreting your post?

I do, for starters.

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Everyone will misinterpret your post.

It seems it's just you DT.

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By calling them 'pawns' you're basically saying that those who carried out the attacks are not responsible for their own actions because a 'higher power' carried out those attacks.

No I'm not.

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It's basically saying to have sympathy for those who carried out the attacks because they're PAW WITTLE INNOCENT PAWNS!

No it's not. Pawn does not imply innocent. You acknowledged this when you acknowledged that it was a misinterpretation.

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You may not mean that by what you're saying, but that's how others will read it and that's what you're implying.

That doesn't make sense. How can I imply one thing but mean something else?

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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #39 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:39pm

mantra wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 6:05pm:

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It's always the young ones who are 'sacrificed'. We rarely see the middle aged ones being involved in suicide attacks.

The same would apply to all governments in their so called quest for peace and democracy. How many marines were lost when we attacked Iraq - although their deaths were miniscule in number compared to the 100,000 or so civilians who were murdered by the Coalition of the Willing.

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We need to get rid of the callous barbaric savages that are
responsible for perpetuating this kind of obscenity. They are not motivated by religion. To them it's all about personal power - like thugs and gangsters anywhere, but they know how to manipulate young naïve people using a combination of religion and hatred of Westerners (economic racism) in this case.

Why are our terrorist attacks justified even though innocent civilians are always the victims? You could say our recent invasions in the Middle East and even Vietnam were instigated by barbaric savages who sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives to maintain their hold on power.

It works both ways, although we are maybe a little more civilised - we sometimes give an advanced warning before we begin dropping cluster bombs or napalm as in the case of Vietnam.

Remember, I was one of the ones who opposed the invasion of Iraq. What I say with regards to this act of senseless barbarism applies to all acts of senseless barbarism. I make no apologies for opposing all violence.

- and violence begets violence, regardless of what you read in Deuteronomy about smug God-sanctioned barbarians who committed mass genocide. Even if they left no children alive, what goes around comes around in future generations.

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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #40 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:54pm

muso wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:39pm:

mantra wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 6:05pm:

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It's always the young ones who are 'sacrificed'. We rarely see the middle aged ones being involved in suicide attacks.

The same would apply to all governments in their so called quest for peace and democracy. How many marines were lost when we attacked Iraq - although their deaths were miniscule in number compared to the 100,000 or so civilians who were murdered by the Coalition of the Willing.

Muso says:
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We need to get rid of the callous barbaric savages that are
responsible for perpetuating this kind of obscenity. They are not motivated by religion. To them it's all about personal power - like thugs and gangsters anywhere, but they know how to manipulate young naïve people using a combination of religion and hatred of Westerners (economic racism) in this case.

Why are our terrorist attacks justified even though innocent civilians are always the victims? You could say our recent invasions in the Middle East and even Vietnam were instigated by barbaric savages who sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives to maintain their hold on power.

It works both ways, although we are maybe a little more civilised - we sometimes give an advanced warning before we begin dropping cluster bombs or napalm as in the case of Vietnam.

Remember, I was one of the ones who opposed the invasion of Iraq. What I say with regards to this act of senseless barbarism applies to all acts of senseless barbarism. I make no apologies for opposing all violence.

- and violence begets violence, regardless of what you read in Deuteronomy about smug God-sanctioned barbarians who committed mass genocide. Even if they left no children alive, what goes around comes around in future generations.

You will be eaten by maggots.
Will it be due to your ancestor's behaviour generations ago?

Sounds like you believe in original sin, mr Religious atheist.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: more islamics dead Reply #42 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:39pm freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:11pm: It's drawing a very long bow to go from cause and effect to original sin. Turkish recurves had longer shots till Americans invented compounds.
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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #43 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 4:06pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 5:17pm:

Deepthought you seem to be confusing an honest analysis of strategic position with sympathy for the enemy. Interpretting all but the most openly hostile comments as sympathetic only encourages people to stop thinking rationally about how to destroy your enemy. We don't all have to beat our chest constantly to prove our allegiance. You are being hypersensitive and trying to create your own brand of political correctness.

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Who cares if I'm misinterpreting your post?

I do, for starters.

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Everyone will misinterpret your post.

It seems it's just you DT.

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By calling them 'pawns' you're basically saying that those who carried out the attacks are not responsible for their own actions because a 'higher power' carried out those attacks.

No I'm not.

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It's basically saying to have sympathy for those who carried out the attacks because they're PAW WITTLE INNOCENT PAWNS!

No it's not. Pawn does not imply innocent. You acknowledged this when you acknowledged that it was a misinterpretation.

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You may not mean that by what you're saying, but that's how others will read it and that's what you're implying.

That doesn't make sense. How can I imply one thing but mean something else?

*Sigh* I can't believe you've sunk to the level of wondering whether people have multiple ID's, FD. Seriously, I thought you were above that and had a certain amount of 'control' over this forum. Maybe I was wrong.

You may not believe that's what you're doing, but trust me, it is.

By calling them 'pawns' you're implying that they've been brainwashed. That they are under the control of someone else. That they've been misled. Therefore, we should have sympathy for them. Sympathy for the attackers will eventually lead to sympathy for their cause.

I understand what you're trying to say FD, and that what I'm saying is far from what you mean. But people WILL interpret it that way.

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Re: more islamics dead
Reply #44 - Dec 4^th, 2008 at 4:11pm

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*Sigh* I can't believe you've sunk to the level of wondering whether people have multiple ID's, FD.

Where did that come from?

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