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Dec 3rd, 2008 at 7:31am
 
I’ve been reading excerpts of the collected private letters of Mother Teresa of Calcutta, “Come Be My Light” which reveal that this modern day saint suffered the most profound crisis of faith of any past saints.

She revealed to confidants that far from being in communion with her god, she felt completely abandoned from just after the outset of her mission in 1947.

She first claimed that some time in that year, while on a train journey from Darjeeling to Calcutta, Jesus had spoken directly to her and had asked her to work in the slums of the city, dealing directly with "the poorest of the poor" — the sick, the dying, beggars and street children. "Come, Come, carry Me into the holes of the poor," he told her. "Come be My Light". The Vatican, which eventually accepted that Jesus had indeed spoken directly to her, granted her the authority to found a new religious order and begin her work.

The rest is history. Except that this sense of communion with god evaporated soon after she started her work and its absence remained for almost the entire 50 years of her mission.

As Teresa reveals to one Father confessor after another, "Jesus has a very special love for you, [But] as for me, the silence and the emptiness is so great, that I look and do not see, — Listen and do not hear — the tongue moves [in prayer] but does not speak”.

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“Lord, my God, who am I that You should forsake me? The Child of your Love — and now become as the most hated one — the one — You have thrown away as unwanted — unloved. I call, I cling, I want — and there is no One to answer — no One on Whom I can cling — no, No One. — Alone ... Where is my Faith — even deep down right in there is nothing, but emptiness & darkness — My God — how painful is this unknown pain — I have no Faith — I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart — & make me suffer untold agony.
So many unanswered questions live within me afraid to uncover them — because of the blasphemy — If there be God — please forgive me — When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven — there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives & hurt my very soul. — I am told God loves me — and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul. Did I make a mistake in surrendering blindly to the Call of the Sacred Heart?”

and again,

"The more I want [Jesus] — the less I am wanted. Such deep longing for God — and ... repulsed — empty — no faith — no love — no zeal. — [The saving of] Souls holds no attraction — Heaven means nothing — pray for me please that I keep smiling at Him in spite of everything".

As we now know, despite this lifelong crisis of faith, she never wavered in her outward demonstrations of love for her god and adherence to the dictates of her beliefs and publicly declared her religious commitment until her death in 1997 at the age of 87.

Having read all this, my feeling is that a dark night of the soul is the very crux of faith, a sine qua non, in that it would not be faith if a god regularly communed with a believer, it would simply be a reasoned response to empirical evidence. Faith is a maintaining of one’s beliefs even in the face of crushing abandonment. How easy would theism be if the believer was to be guaranteed regular corporeal manifestations of a deity. How easy, though, for the one abandoned?

Perhaps Mother Teresa will become a saint twice over. Once for her work with the poorest of the poor and once to cynics for her example of belief in the light of faith even in the face of interminable darkness.

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Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 1:17pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 7:31am:
I’ve been reading excerpts of the collected private letters of Mother Teresa of Calcutta, “Come Be My Light” which reveal that this modern day saint suffered the most profound crisis of faith of any past saints.

She revealed to confidants that far from being in communion with her god, she felt completely abandoned from just after the outset of her mission in 1947.......

.......As we now know, despite this lifelong crisis of faith, she never wavered in her outward demonstrations of love for her god and adherence to the dictates of her beliefs and publicly declared her religious commitment until her death in 1997 at the age of 87.

Having read all this, my feeling is that a dark night of the soul is the very crux of faith, a sine qua non, in that it would not be faith if a god regularly communed with a believer, it would simply be a reasoned response to empirical evidence. Faith is a maintaining of one’s beliefs even in the face of crushing abandonment. How easy would theism be if the believer was to be guaranteed regular corporeal manifestations of a deity. How easy, though, for the one abandoned?

Perhaps Mother Teresa will become a saint twice over. Once for her work with the poorest of the poor and once to cynics for her example of belief in the light of faith even in the face of interminable darkness.






helian,

This is a troubling account to read indeed.

It would seem that this loneliness of Mother Teresa, was her 'burden' in this life.

We all suffer a spiritual loneliness here [i believe].

The tribulation and loneliness of this life affects, and challenges, everyone differently.



I believe God does not abandon those who continue to seek him, but it can seem that way.

My own belief is that, for the most part, we are here to experience this life, and to make choices in our lives.

In this current world our lives are 'created' and 'defined', through our own choices.

And [i believe that] we come here, to learn, and to come to understand the consequences of expressing our choices.



And, [mostly] God leaves us to these things [choices in life], without any intervention.

Why does God hide himself from us?

If God, is God, and is hiding himself, isn't God playing a 'game' with us [relative to our lives]?

Deceiving us?

So that [being tempted] in this world we will fall into a 'trap'?

Well, there is a saying, "If you want to learn a man's true character, give him power."

And [i believe that] this may be what God is doing, with us.

He lets us, 'get on with it' so to speak, without intervention.





I do believe in an 'interventionist' God, but i believe that he mainly intervenes, in those areas where his plan for the redemption of mankind is involved / affected.

But most of that work is completed [i believe].



So now, we live our lives, and we make our choices, and we suffer 'tribulation' in this life, as is intended.

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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 2:23pm
 
Yadda, I find Teresa's crisis of faith or 'dark night of the soul' to be the most intriguing chapter of her life story.

When her mission began she determined that she would wed herself to the 'Christ crucified' and would contemplate, as those at the foot of the cross apparently did, the pain and suffering of the dying 'God-Messiah'.

Teresa declared that she was prepared to feel the pain of this suffering for the rest of her life although she would hardly have expected (as happened) that she would descend into a lifelong spiritual night.

But was this abandonment the reason for the sage advice 'be careful what you wish for'?

One of the sufferings of  the 'Christ Crucified' was his perceived abandonment by his God (Mark 15:34 - And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?).

Whatever the reason, which of course we cannot know, it is impossible to overstate what a gargantuan marathon of faith it must have been to live for another 50 years with that public smile while doggedly maintaining her missionary zeal with an unwavering outward profession of faith that she no longer felt and love for a god who remained, for the rest of her life, unmanifested, invisible and silent in her heart.
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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 2:41pm
 

This has been a few very impressive posts you have done helian.

very looking forward to episode #3
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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 3:11pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 2:41pm:
This has been a few very impressive posts you have done helian.

very looking forward to episode #3

As with many of us old enough to contemplate the 'meaning' of Teresa and her mission, I looked on her, I have to say, yes with admiration of sorts but I was always somewhat suspicious of her motives - don't ask me why. But having read some of her private letters, I feel a genuine and profound sense of sympathy for her. I think there is a lesson for everyone in her ordeal, Catholic or not, Christian or not, non-theist or atheist.

We all face crises of faith of some description (albeit usually of lesser magnitude - but crises nonetheless)... Within a marriage, as a parent, in our work and at those 3 AM moments when we wake and ask ourselves the great existential questions. We all reach the fork in the road at some time in our lives. And a number of those times, we realise that the right thing would be to stay the course even if the easier option would be to diverge. Those are the times when Teresa's strength of will could be an inspiration or to just give pause for thought that if a four foot Albanian nun could keep the faith for 50 years, then just maybe anyone can for at least a small fraction of the time.
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Reply #5 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 3:31pm
 

Few of us have a sense of loneliness for such an extended period ....... and STILL remain a christian.


Astounding really.
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Maybe it was this atheistic side of her which enabled her to do such important selfless work here on earth  Shocked

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Reply #7 - Dec 4th, 2008 at 7:33am
 
Amadd wrote on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 5:59pm:
Maybe it was this atheistic side of her which enabled her to do such important selfless work here on earth  Shocked


Well, that is another intriguing part of her story... she can be claimed by multiple religious and non-religious groups. Mahayanic Buddhists could claim that she was a bodhisattva - an enlightened one who, out of compassion for other beings, refuses Nirvana and returns to the world to relieve suffering. Also Buddhism, being non-theistic, doesn't have to explain a non-responsive god - the silence she experienced would be entirely in keeping with Buddhist teachings.
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Without disrespect towards her lifetime effort, perhaps her perseverance could also be explained in more earthly terms. Perhaps she was a victim of her own success. Although it has to be accepted that because she argued for and was granted authority to begin a new religious order of nuns, she must have expected that others would follow her.

Maybe what she didn’t expect was just how successful the order would be.

Soon after her mission began, hundreds of women began to join the order and many without religious vocation offered their services. Then there was the Malcolm Muggeridge book and documentary, ‘Something Beautiful for God’ that propelled her to mega-stardom. Then the Nobel Peace Prize. Then the endless queues of world leaders, including Pope John Paul II, all lining up for a photo opportunity with her. Then the vast amounts of cash that began to flow into the Missionaries of Charity coffers.

Perhaps the enormity of her success trapped her in a kind of stardom she neither sought nor wanted and evoked in her a guilt complex based on a deeply felt sense of unworthiness (after all, she claimed Jesus had considered her an unworthy servant but he would ask of her to begin her mission anyway). Perhaps also escape from the mission with the world looking on would be impossible without doing damage to the church she loved and betrayal to the poorest of the poor and to those who had followed her into their hovels.

We can only speculate now, but her perseverance despite her doubts, grave misgivings and sense of abandonment appears to have only magnified her life and work and I imagine it has made her even more worthy of the sainthood which is almost certain to be bestowed on her more likely in the near future than the distant.

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 8:16am:
Without disrespect towards her lifetime effort, perhaps her perseverance could also be explained in more earthly terms. Perhaps she was a victim of her own success. Although it has to be accepted that because she argued for and was granted authority to begin a new religious order of nuns, she must have expected that others would follow her.

Maybe what she didn’t expect was just how successful the order would be.

Soon after her mission began, hundreds of women began to join the order and many without religious vocation offered their services. Then there was the Malcolm Muggeridge book and documentary, ‘Something Beautiful for God’ that propelled her to mega-stardom. Then the endless queues of world leaders, including Pope John Paul II, all lining up for a photo opportunity with her. Then the vast amounts of cash that began to flow into the Missionaries of Charity coffers.

Perhaps the enormity of her success trapped her in a kind of stardom she neither sought nor wanted and evoked in her a guilt complex based on a deeply felt sense of unworthiness (after all, she claimed Jesus had considered her an unworthy servant but he would ask of her to begin her mission anyway). Perhaps also escape from the mission with the world looking on would be impossible without doing damage to the church she loved and betrayal to the poorest of the poor and to those who had followed her into their hovels.

We can only speculate now, but her perseverance despite her doubts, grave misgivings and sense of abandonment appears to have only magnified her life and work and I imagine it has made her even more worthy of the sainthood which is almost certain to be bestowed on her more likely in the near future than the distant.



THere was an interesting insight into Mother Teresa recently on the ABC National Series "The Spirit of Things". Let me see if I can find the link.

Here it is:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2008/2422949.htm

The transcript should be up in a few days for the bandwidth limited.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 3:11pm:
......We all face crises of faith of some description (albeit usually of lesser magnitude - but crises nonetheless)... Within a marriage, as a parent, in our work and at those 3 AM moments when we wake and ask ourselves the great existential questions. We all reach the fork in the road at some time in our lives. And a number of those times, we realise that the right thing would be to stay the course even if the easier option would be to diverge. Those are the times when Teresa's strength of will could be an inspiration or to just give pause for thought that if a four foot Albanian nun could keep the faith for 50 years, then just maybe anyone can for at least a small fraction of the time.





helian,

Your words reminded me of a conversation i had with a friend, about 20 years ago.

I had never guessed of his difficulties, but he confided in me that his marriage was in a difficult patch, he and his wife were not communicating.

He said he was not angry [with his wife], but he felt he was having a life crisis, and that he was considering leaving his wife, and three young children.

In our discussion, i pointed out his responsibility to [the stable development of] his young children, and suggested that the most responsible thing to do, would be to stay in the marriage [at least] until his children had left school.

I recall, i rather bluntly stated, it was his decision, but that he had taken on a responsibility, and the responsible thing to do, would be for him to fulfil his responsibilities toward his family [children].

[he stayed. i still have contact with this person and his wife. the children have left home. and he and his wife both seem happy now, in their marriage.]


Many of us suffer crises of life.

Our suffering in life is not unusual.

But the crises [themselves] are not as 'critical', as how we respond to them [from within ourselves].

To me, it seems that many of our life crises emerge, from thoughtlessly pursuing our own desires [for our own 'happiness'].




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I'm a Christian, but there is a lot of sense stated in Buddhism's,

The Four Noble Truths....

1. To live, is to suffer.

2. Suffering arises from our attachment to desires.

3. Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering is attainable.





#1, To live, is to suffer!

How true!

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Yadda wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 9:10am:
The Four Noble Truths....

1. To live, is to suffer.






Hebrews 12:6  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


Speaking of the hardships suffered by the children Israel [below], but this applies equally to all God's children....

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
11  For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
12  Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.


and....

Proverbs 17:3
The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold: but the LORD trieth the hearts.


The 'furnace of affliction' eh?

Some may say that such a God is cruel.

But let them taste God's love, and all of these tears [here] will be forgotten.

Though our hearts are 'tried' here, God does love us, deeply!

And all his children know this TRUTH.

We are his [spirit] children [i believe].

I believe we are all God's children, who have gone astray [in this world].

Isaiah 1:2
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.


One of my favorite parables is the parable of the 'prodigal' son [read the parable at Luke 15:11].

I believe that we, all mankind, are the 'prodigal sons & daughters' of our spirit father.

Yet is seems clear, that many of God's 'children' despise their birthright, and they have behaved like Esau.

Hebrews 12:16
.....as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.


And unlike the prodigal [in the parable], they do not seek to return to God, their father.

Many of us will die in the world.
....as the children of that other spirit, SATAN.

The powerful of this world, and those who seek 'treasure' in this world, have come to love this world, they have come to love its lies, and even to love its violence.

It is often a 'distant' violence, which we imagine, we are removed from, and not responsible for.

But when we pay the piper, he plays the tune we call.

Many evil things are done [to innocents], to secure those 'goods' and 'services', which we in the 1st world trivially use, to sate our worldly desires.


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Just one example, of how our demands for [sometimes trivial] 'consumables' [in the 1st world], can have devastating effects on the lives of others, much weaker than ourselves.....

...
25 November 2008
Battle for Congo's mineral assets
"The Democratic Republic of Congo is struggling to recover from a lengthy civil war in which an estimated three million people have died, mostly through starvation and disease.
Since the country gained independence in 1960, its vast mineral wealth has been a key factor in the country's civil wars and instability.
It has huge reserves of gold, cobalt, tantalite and cassiterite all used in the manufacture of consumer electronics."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7747692.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4900734.stm


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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2008 at 10:46am
 
muso wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 8:24am:
THere was an interesting insight into Mother Teresa recently on the ABC National Series "The Spirit of Things". Let me see if I can find the link.

Here it is:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2008/2422949.htm

The transcript should be up in a few days for the bandwidth limited.

Interesting, but not surprising, to hear some of the downside of an austere ministry.

Listening to the subtext of Livermore's story, I picked up a note of dissent and questioning that began at the start of her vocation and continued to the end. Surely she could not have been under much illusion that the work would be anything other than grotesque. Mother Teresa never concealed the condition of the people she ministered to.

I found it strange that Livermore did not consider becomming a co-worker which did not require becomming a nun. In the end I think she dived into the vocation unprepared for its demands and got burnt.
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Reply #13 - Dec 4th, 2008 at 10:54am
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 9:10am:
The Four Noble Truths....

1. To live, is to suffer.

2. Suffering arises from our attachment to desires.

3. Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering is attainable.

Yes, as founding principles, no other religion's is more terse or more true.
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Reply #14 - Dec 4th, 2008 at 11:21am
 
Well she never seemed particularly religious to me, after all, she practised the antithesis of normal religious behaviour, she did not just preach and pray, she got down and actually got stuck in to actually helping.
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